Army Fit

#1
New website on the MOD site for getting the TA fit; has some very good training advice in there; from training programmes for all levels, to demonstration of techniques. You have to register to access the training programmes though:

Army Fit
 
#3
lol!!!

In fairness, there's a big initiative on to get the TA fit. This website & the thing going on in London (Get fit with the TA) is just the start of it.
 
#4
eSeL said:
lol!!!

In fairness, there's a big initiative on to get the TA fit. This website & the thing going on in London (Get fit with the TA) is just the start of it.
Thing is.....the TA needs an initiative to get some of us fit! Good to see the CoC taking more of an interest IMHO.

P
 
#5
While I applaud the sentiment behind it this is just a recruiting exercise by another name. It is entirely aimed at those who may have an interest and sings the (unspecified) benefits for ones fitness of joining the TA.

The fitness programme is in no way 'personal', other than you have to do it yourself, and is not presented in a user friendly format, ie one you can print out and stick on the fridge.

The worst thing about it from my point of view is, because we have to register to see the programme, every serving soldier or non potential recruit who has logged on out of interest will be registered as a potential recruit enquiry; justifying the expense of the programme, diverting TA recruiting budget from units and working towards someones OBE!
 
#6
Blyth_spirit said:
because we have to register to see the programme, every serving soldier or non potential recruit who has logged on out of interest will be registered as a potential recruit enquiry; justifying the expense of the programme, diverting TA recruiting budget from units and working towards someones OBE!
Thats a good point actually, if 800 Serving Soldiers and 200 potentials sign up to the scheme, it will register 1000 recruit enquiries.....

Cheeky cunts.
 

jmj

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#7
eSeL said:
New website on the MOD site for getting the TA fit....
I stumbled across the TV advert for the same last night.. The usual mix of white water rafting, skiing, etc... oh with a blink and you've missed it flash of some chaps looking like death warmed up on a CFT.

Well I've done enough CFTs, how long do I have to wait for the white water rafting?

J
 
#8
eSeL said:
In fairness, there's a big initiative on to get the TA fit.
i find that its poorly worded interms of reinforcing old views of the TA...ie, its full of fat old pretenders. there is a problem with fitness in the TA, i'll admit that, but it strikes me as airing our dirty washing in public...

is'nt it going to attract the "fat biff's" to join as opposed to the young, fit 17 - 30 or so individuals that we really need?

its nice someone is putting the money into TA recruiting (or is it given with the right hand and pinched by the left?).
 
#9
its nice someone is putting the money into TA recruiting (or is it given with the right hand and pinched by the left?).





they put money into recruting ? must be a new approach.
 
#10
i find that its poorly worded interms of reinforcing old views of the TA...ie, its full of fat old pretenders. there is a problem with fitness in the TA, i'll admit that, but it strikes me as airing our dirty washing in public...
I don't agree with you mate. I think it's positive; it's suggesting that the TA is a good route to fitness, rather than suggesting the opposite.
That was my wording you're picking fault with - I'll stand by what I said though.

is'nt it going to attract the "fat biff's" to join as opposed to the young, fit 17 - 30 or so individuals that we really need?
Isn't it always going to attract a mixed bunch? At least those who want to get fit are going to get good advice without the cost of a gym/personal trainer. At the end of the day, if they can't pass the minimum standards, they'll be given advice on how to attain it. It doesn't cost the TA anything (as the recruit wont be taken on strength), only a little bit of a PTI's time.
 
#11
eSeL said:
I think it's positive; it's suggesting that the TA is a good route to fitness, rather than suggesting the opposite.....

.....At the end of the day, if they can't pass the minimum standards, they'll be given advice on how to attain it.
While I agree that this gives a positive spin on TA fitness for potential recruits this is, as discussed elsewhere, deceptive. The majority of TA fitness has to be achieved outside the unit and unpaid. We only really have time to assess the fitness levels of soldiers and advise them on training programmes.

We also have less comprehensively trained PTIs who are only qualified to take basic PT sessions. They are not adequately qualified to advise on individual training programmes or sports injury and recovery* and are not supported by APTC or medical personnel.

While the TA gives clear fitness goals it does not adequately support soldiers who may be struggling to achieve them.

This website is only a recruiting tool to give the impression that if you join the TA it will be one long free session of gym and adventurous training. It is initiatives like this which solve short term recruiting problems but cause disillusionment and retention problems later.

(I am also waiting for the white water rafting. We have a big poster on the wall in the recruiting office so surely we must do it; I must have missed that weekend!)

*Yes some PTIs broaden their knowledge and advise on these matters but they are not trained to do so.
 
#12
We also have less comprehensively trained PTIs who are only qualified to take basic PT sessions. They are not adequately qualified to advise on individual training programmes or sports injury and recovery* and are not supported by APTC or medical personnel.
As far as the PTI situation is concerned, I was told the APTC is addressing that situation and have got the criteria set out for intermediate & advanced PTI courses. It will take a few years to get it set up properly as there are only a few intermediate trained and no advanced trained PTI's. However, at intermediate level, the PTI will be able to device individual training programmes.

While the TA gives clear fitness goals it does not adequately support soldiers who may be struggling to achieve them.
Fair one; again, it will take a few years for changes to happen.
 
#13
d12gnr said:
its nice someone is putting the money into TA recruiting (or is it given with the right hand and pinched by the left?).





they put money into recruting ? must be a new approach.
surely you are having a laugh. in the regulars, it is widely known that recruiting is one of the few organisations actually able to get their hands on money. none for accommodation, security, etc etc - but recruiting?

you're way off track IMHO.
 
#14
eSeL said:
i find that its poorly worded interms of reinforcing old views of the TA...ie, its full of fat old pretenders. there is a problem with fitness in the TA, i'll admit that, but it strikes me as airing our dirty washing in public...
I don't agree with you mate. I think it's positive; it's suggesting that the TA is a good route to fitness, rather than suggesting the opposite.
That was my wording you're picking fault with - I'll stand by what I said though.

is'nt it going to attract the "fat biff's" to join as opposed to the young, fit 17 - 30 or so individuals that we really need?
Isn't it always going to attract a mixed bunch? At least those who want to get fit are going to get good advice without the cost of a gym/personal trainer. At the end of the day, if they can't pass the minimum standards, they'll be given advice on how to attain it. It doesn't cost the TA anything (as the recruit wont be taken on strength), only a little bit of a PTI's time.
Mixed bunch, certainly, however it may just be my unit, but when the potential recruits come in with the motivation that the TA will get them fit, it tends to be individuals who are, shall i say, "plump". i completely agree that it cost's nothing, except time...not a comodity that is abundant in the TA.

on the whole it's positive, i just like playing devils advocate... ;)
 
#15
Blyth_spirit said:
eSeL said:
I think it's positive; it's suggesting that the TA is a good route to fitness, rather than suggesting the opposite.....

We also have less comprehensively trained PTIs who are only qualified to take basic PT sessions. They are not adequately qualified to advise on individual training programmes or sports injury and recovery* and are not supported by APTC or medical personnel.

I thought that anatomy and physiology were part and parcel of the PTI course for precisely these reasons!


(I am also waiting for the white water rafting. We have a big poster on the wall in the recruiting office so surely we must do it; I must have missed that weekend!)

Stop waiting for it..............organise it! :yawnstretch:
 
#16
In my old explorer scout unit, we used to have a TA Medic as the Leader, and he worked us to this programme - worked pretty damn well, i have to say.

The new format doesn't allow you to print it off, but someone else already made the point i guess...
 
#17
eSeL said:
As far as the PTI situation is concerned, I was told the APTC is addressing that situation and have got the criteria set out for intermediate & advanced PTI courses. It will take a few years to get it set up properly as there are only a few intermediate trained and no advanced trained PTI's. However, at intermediate level, the PTI will be able to device individual training programmes.
Well, seeing as someone has dragged up an 18 month old thread:

Why can't we send our PSI (Regular) on the TA PTI course so that we can at least conduct our own phys / CFTs in the Battery?

msr
 
#18
msr said:
Well, seeing as someone has dragged up an 18 month old thread:

Why can't we send our PSI (Regular) on the TA PTI course so that we can at least conduct our own phys / CFTs in the Battery?

msr
Why can't you?
 
#19
It's not allowed.

msr
 
#20
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
surely you are having a laugh. in the regulars, it is widely known that recruiting is one of the few organisations actually able to get their hands on money. none for accommodation, security, etc etc - but recruiting?

you're way off track IMHO.
Yes but thats the regular army, the TA is a different kettle of fish in my experience, though it is getting better! with things like TALOs etc.

The only way they are going to solve the recruiting problems is through public awareness of the army. not may people i meet are aware of the diference between the infantry and the artillery, but i wont open that can of worms here.

As for fitness, the only thing the TA actualy can do is assess your fitness through CFT/PFT and PT sessios etc. As my blokes are on 43 MTDs a year with a few officers and seniors on 60 odd there realy is no space to do any fitness training at all and expect them to complete MATTS+modular training+ annual camp+anything else they need.
Unfortunately fitness in the TA has to be your own thing at the moment.
 

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