Army drug use highest among Scots

#2
A_tube_said said:
But Clive Fairweather, a former army officer who was also Scotland's inspector of prisons, questioned whether the approach should be reviewed.

"You don't get discharged from the Army for taking too much alcohol, unless you really get to problem stages, but because there's this idea that soldiers taking drugs are unsafe, drug-crazed soldiers, the public feel it's right that the Army discharges them," he told BBC Scotland's Politics Show.

"If, at the end of the day, you've got very few left in your Army and you can't do what you want to do, I think society's really got to ask themselves the question - would they give soldiers who've taken drugs another chance, perhaps two years later, when they can show that they're clean to come back into the military?"
Note to the C of C we do not want to serve with druggies. One fail and out on your arse.
 
#3
But Clive Fairweather, a former army officer who was also Scotland's inspector of prisons, questioned whether the approach should be reviewed.

"You don't get discharged from the Army for taking too much alcohol, unless you really get to problem stages, but because there's this idea that soldiers taking drugs are unsafe, drug-crazed soldiers, the public feel it's right that the Army discharges them," he told BBC Scotland's Politics Show.

"If, at the end of the day, you've got very few left in your Army and you can't do what you want to do, I think society's really got to ask themselves the question - would they give soldiers who've taken drugs another chance, perhaps two years later, when they can show that they're clean to come back into the military?"

More to the point, what is this man doing spewing rubbish? I would not feel happy serving with a soldier who had a drug problem-I have seen too many people deteriorate from perfectly reasonable chap to knob because of drugs. Futhermore, there are security considerations, not to mention the fact it's sodding illegal. I should rather see a smaller Army than lower standards! How many people thrown out of the Army for drugs would actually then come back after two years. You'd have to retrain for a start! Silly man.
 
#4
All I can say is thank fcuk Fairweather is no longer serving

BTW when he was inspector for prisons he'd never be off the news complaining about conditions in prisons where poor misunderstood paedos and murderers would have to p*ss and sh*t in buckets . Oh the poor things
 

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#5
Do we as society treat the problem by dealing with the end result or do we deal with the cause of these problems?
o be honest probably amongst our youth Jocks nationally as civvies may have a higher proportion of drug issues but surely the recruiters should be making this clear to them.
Do we deal with it in service as a disease ie treat rather than the current ppractise of surgery which is to remove the diseased body?
It wasnt a massive problem during my service but where I work you can go to prison for class C in your system if its an at cause testing.
We run D&A screening regularly and everyone is used to it now! We also ran during the implementation period a system where you could confess and be treated. Does that happen in the mob?
 
#6
Drug use generally among Scots is high. The drunken Scotsman cliché is being replaced by the junkie Scotsman cliché. Junkies croaking in their 20s is probably a major reason for the plummeting life expectancy north of the border, especially around Glasgow.
 
#7
Spanny said:
All I can say is thank fcuk Fairweather is no longer serving

Did you ever serve with him? As a Commander of Jocks he was excellent and I think he was also one of the sandy beret boys so wash your mouth out Spanny.
 
#8
Airfix - can't see why you are calling this "sensationalist crap". The sad fact is that the Scottish Bns (along with whatever has become of the old Kingos) have a culture that includes drugs. It is a culture that reflects the casual acceptance in those parts of Scottish society that most jocks come from, of the use of recreational drugs. I personally don't believe those that are caught out using drugs have a place in the Army and should be discharged

I don't think it helps either that Scots Div traditionally treats its jocks as children. Everyone knows children will eventually rebel.

The dictatorial attitude that is the regime within Scottish Inf bns is a mindset away from that ,say in the Light Div, where lesson number one for the soldier was/is that of "you're a grown up, responsible for your own actions and we trust you to make the right decisions". I believe the Rifles experience of CDT is less strained than RRS, helped no doubt, by that reason.

Perhaps a change in culture could help the Scottish Bns. Trouble is, it would take years to do and I'm not sure it would do any good until Scottish street culture changed first.
 
#9
Give Scotland there Independance and then it becomes Alex Salmonds problem and not our's, as his manifesto quotes he will: Free to bring Scottish troops home from Iraq.

Maybe then that short fat cnut will then realise that their's more to leadership than just bumping your gums about independance and trying to con everone in Scotland about how rich the country will become after it has realised it's new found oil wealth.
 

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#10
Airfix said:
More sensationalist crap reporting with no real substance from the Beeb :evil:
Arf. I see what you did there :D
 
#11
heard_it_all_before said:
Give Scotland there Independance and then it becomes Alex Salmonds problem and not our's,
Are you sure about that?

What happens when the Scottish economy goes t1ts up? No Barnett cash, oil drying up, mafia cornering the market in Euro cash. Alex would be unable to pay his dole bill within a year.

Do we really want millions of starving Jocks menacing our own northern wastelands around Newcastle and Liverpool? Remember - they'd be in the EU so mining the border is not an option.

The incapacity benefit office in Carlisle would quickly be overwhelmed by tracksuited, red haired, junkies suffering from 'depression'.

As the Roman emperor Hadrian said when visiting his wall 'Why the fcuck is that ginger hedge moving towards us?'
 
#12
in_the_cheapseats said:
The dictatorial attitude that is the regime within Scottish Inf bns is a mindset away from that ,say in the Light Div, where lesson number one for the soldier was/is that of "you're a grown up, responsible for your own actions and we trust you to make the right decisions". I believe the Rifles experience of CDT is less strained than RRS, helped no doubt, by that reason.
That could possible explain why while in Osnabruck 1 RGJ were subject to a one year Drugs surveillance with one of their soldiers being arrested in London with what was then a record quantity of Ecstacy.

Better still the video of soldiers from 3 RGJ in NI, including the on duty dog handler taking drugs in their barrack room and this wasn't the Scottish Green Jackets I'm referring to.

In fairness they were amateurs compared with 1 Kings.
 
#13
Have you lot not seen Trainspotting???? "Just one merrrr fcuking hit!!"

To be honest....if I were a Jock I'd take drugs too! I'd probably share needles!! Maybe try pushing the needle through pigeon shit, or the puss ridden anus of a cat before injecting my pasty skinned ginger mopped body!
 
#14
smudge67 said:
To be honest....if I were a Jock I'd take drugs too! I'd probably share needles!! Maybe try pushing the needle through pigeon s***, or the puss ridden anus of a cat before injecting my pasty skinned ginger mopped body!
We wouldn't be that lucky :twisted:
 
#15
I think it all depends on what drugs are involved... Soldiers who smoke a bit of weed for instance should be left alone, but smack and crack heads for instance should be kicked out.

The funny thing these days is this, if alcohol was just discovered it would be a class A drug, like crack and smack...
 
#16
pimpernel said:
Spanny said:
All I can say is thank fcuk Fairweather is no longer serving

Did you ever serve with him? As a Commander of Jocks he was excellent and I think he was also one of the sandy beret boys so wash your mouth out Spanny.
Seconded.Yes,he did spend time with THEM.He was one of the planners in the Iranian Embassy siege.
 
#17
Going out on a limb here,but back in the 90's,how many decent lads did you know that got booted out because of weed?
And how many f uckwits never got kicked out,but were hammered every night fighting in the lines or up town knocking f uck out of civvies?
 
#18
Ancient_Mariner said:
Drug use generally among Scots is high. The drunken Scotsman cliché is being replaced by the junkie Scotsman cliché. Junkies croaking in their 20s is probably a major reason for the plummeting life expectancy north of the border, especially around Glasgow.
True that , I cant name one person in my immediate social circle that doesnt take something illegal on a regular basis and Im not from a particularly rough area.

Dying before you reach 30 of an OD , stabbing or suicide cause you cant get gear is quite de rigueur around here. :)
 
#19
in_the_cheapseats said:
Airfix - can't see why you are calling this "sensationalist crap". The sad fact is that the Scottish Bns (along with whatever has become of the old Kingos) have a culture that includes drugs. It is a culture that reflects the casual acceptance in those parts of Scottish society that most jocks come from, of the use of recreational drugs. I personally don't believe those that are caught out using drugs have a place in the Army and should be discharged

I don't think it helps either that Scots Div traditionally treats its jocks as children. Everyone knows children will eventually rebel.

The dictatorial attitude that is the regime within Scottish Inf bns is a mindset away from that ,say in the Light Div, where lesson number one for the soldier was/is that of "you're a grown up, responsible for your own actions and we trust you to make the right decisions". I believe the Rifles experience of CDT is less strained than RRS, helped no doubt, by that reason.

Perhaps a change in culture could help the Scottish Bns. Trouble is, it would take years to do and I'm not sure it would do any good until Scottish street culture changed first.
The 'sensationalist' element is quite clear from the headline: ' Army drug use highest among Scots'. Where is the evidence to support this headline? Yes, the regiments listed are 'Scottish' but that doesn't mean those tested positive are 'Scots' rather than English, Welsh, Irish, Fijian etc like I said, and there is no league table showing just how many Scots were done within the army as a whole for the same period. Or are you suggesting that there are more drugie Jock scum in the army than other 'home' nations and our foreign imports?

Your argument has already been shot to pieces over you Light Div/Scottish Div comparison and the last time I looked Scots DG and SG were RAC and Houshold Div. Would anyone from RRS like to comment on the accusation that they are 'treated like children'?

I see a job at the Beeb for you writing sloppy pieces with no substance which are factually inaccurate.

I do agree with you on this though - no place for drugie scum in the army, regardless where they come from!
 

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