Army Deer Stalking Course?

#1
I am sure that I read an article about an army Deer stalking course that either resulted in DSC 1 or an equivalent, in the BASC magazine, or maybe Shooting Times. The course seems to have fallen under the heading of AT or similiar, so I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out more?

303SMLE
 
#3
Yeah, it definately wasn't in a 'green' context, it was some kind of AT course and the photos had lots of Brigadiery types in barbours standing around looking decidedly chuffed with themselves. (Only Majors and above can look chuffed, Captains and below merely look pleased)
 
#4
I know of no pukka Army course - but there are procedures for it somewhere. I know my Battalion's done it. You need someone in the Bn who owns large tracts of Scotland (with Deer on it, preferably), mountains of paperwork and some proper deer-killing round to fire through the L96, Green Spot not good enough....
 
#5
I was on a MLT course last Nov up in Ballachulish and some of the guys there came straight from Deer Stalking onto the MLT, I believe it was a civi course they were on and the lads were from the cheshires.
 
#6
You are after defence deer management. they will sponsor you through the DSC1 once you have proven yourself to be keen and competent. You then join as an assistant deer manager and cull on the training areas local to where you are within the imposed culling plan. I'm out of the office at the moment and have forgotten the name of the bloke who runs it - he is a major down in land.

I have a copy of the procedures and the guide in my office which gives all necessary information. will post when i return to work
 
#7
I've been back in the UK for 2 years now but I know that they ran a hunting course in JHQ or thereabouts and possibly up in the Hohne Fally area as the FSA at 3 RHA was very hunting (it might have been the job you never know :))
 
#8
tangowhiskey said:
I've been back in the UK for 2 years now but I know that they ran a hunting course in JHQ or thereabouts and possibly up in the Hohne Fally area as the FSA at 3 RHA was very hunting (it might have been the job you never know :))
Mr O - with all the deer skulls on the wall.

That was the recognised hunting licence, jagd something. very expensive to do in UK. they even take you to the local pet zoo, as an aid to 'target recognition' cos if you shoot the wrong thing, it can be very expensive to get out of the mire.

you have to pay the farmer who owns the land where you shot it - an 8 point stag will cost you a few thousand euros
 
#10
There was a time when landowners used to invite units to help them with culling in obscure and inaccessible locations. With more and more TOPL being denied due to the hunting ban I'd be surprised if any landowners were co-operating any more.
 

ugly

LE
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#11
Jagdschein is ruddy expensive and commits you to a lot of hard work and expense. Stalking in the UK is a much cheaper option and although normally an officer type thing there should be little reason for or's to get involved. Stalking in the Army used to be managed through the BDS Military section which had a secretary. It used to be that most of the time it was left to trg area oc's to organise. Nowadays with milder winters and the explosion in the deer population it would be good to see the army fund through AT a decent course or series of courses in deer management that would help outside.
I got into it after leaving and wish like many courses that I didnt know existed that I had the chance.
I still kick myself for turning down the chance to be Bn Butcher in Munster. The pad had been caught flogging meat so they wanted a young singly to do it. I was still green and wanted to play soldiers. Butchery has always interested me as any who have seen my wiring will attest!
Defence deer management
 
#12
303 - if you're still interested in this, PM and I'll do some digging.

One of my old bosses seemed to do little else apart from organise this kind of activity for the Army - seemed to be all sorts of people involved with it as well.
 

ugly

LE
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#13
It would be nice if spare places (if any) were available to ex servicemen. I noticed that you didnt have to stay in the forces to remain a member but it seemed that you had to have joined before leaving!
 
#14
There was a Flt Sgt at Winterbourne Gunner who is big into deer management on MoD land. I'll see if I can find my big red book with his name in it.
 
#16
They run that type of thing in BATUS, i haven't heard of one of late though.

The current course along that vein is a Beaver Trapping course, i'm gutted that i can't get on.
 
#17
The Services Branch of the British Deer Society known as Defence Deer Management exists for the welfare of deer on MOD land, Deer have no preditors in the UK less man in his car and the only method of controlling numbers is by selective culling as part of a Deer Management Plan. Each MOD training area with Deer has a Principal Deer Manager, under his control are Assistant Managers (Authorised) these can cull deer on there own in accordance with the cull plan. Then there are Assistant Managers (AM's) these are personell that have completed the DMQ level 1 course and have there own firearms certificate and rifle and passed the MOD Deer Management marksmanship test in the previous 6 months AM's can only cull deer under the supervision of a fully qualified member of services branch.

The UK is broken down into larger areas SE, SW, Midlands, Scotland etc these have a District Co-Ordinator.

To get into the system you must firstly find the PDM of your area and establish if there are any vacencies for trainees. If there are you will then have to join the British Deer Society as a coveneting member (you must remain a member all the time you wish to cull deer on MOD land) you will be accepted into a group as a PM Potential Member, once you have shown commtment your PDM will put you forward to attend the Deer Management Course run by Services Branch on completition and upgrading to AM you will stalk under supervision you will have to keep a logbook essentialy a write up of all your experiences whilst out on the ground this shows your knowledge of deer is increasing and enables you to reach all the training criteria. This process usually takes 18 months to 2 years before you will be finally be deemed knowledgeable and most importantly safe to select a cull beast and dispatch it cleanly.

A stalking club it is not, if you join MOD deer management it needs to become your life, many early mornings and late evenings, loads of blank outings.

If you leave Regular Service as a qualifed Deer manager AM(A) or higher and take a MOD civil servants post or Reserve Forces you can continue, if you leave the services the right to carry on stalking ceases unless you are authorised in exceptional circumstances.
 

Biped

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#18
I thought Snipers got to go on culls, and got paid billy-bonuses too.

Not sure about the Green Spot ammo, mind you. I thought that was just as effective as most of the other slugs available, especially as the trained Sniper is supposed to manage the vital organ shot without difficulty, not to mention being able to stalk pretty damn close.

There was a program on the box recently that purported to show this deerstalker taking a television crew out for a stalk, and from what I saw, the 'proffeshnial' was bobbing about like a duck on a stormy night mid-atlantic. He would have scared my sister off from 3 miles and she is so ugly she frightens 'THEM'!
 

ugly

LE
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#19
Use of FMJs on deer is illegal in the UK and possibly most other countries.
Just because you can crawl 1/2 a mile looking like a bush and do head shots at 600 yds whilst playing kims game doesnt a stalker make. It tended to be the other way around.
I believe that possibly some Nordic countries mandate FMJs for pelt preservation but the bullet must be designed to expand, Culling is not an excuse to use fmjs.
 

Biped

LE
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#20
ugly said:
Use of FMJs on deer is illegal in the UK and possibly most other countries.
Just because you can crawl 1/2 a mile looking like a bush and do head shots at 600 yds whilst playing kims game doesnt a stalker make. It tended to be the other way around.
I believe that possibly some Nordic countries mandate FMJs for pelt preservation but the bullet must be designed to expand, Culling is not an excuse to use fmjs.
OK; news to me.

I can personally stalk to within two yds of a big buck before smashing them over the head (hard) with my Mk3 shovel. Surprised? You've never seen such a look of shock and awe!
 

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