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Army could be needed in UK prisons

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by ExREME..TECH, Aug 2, 2017.

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  1. Op Quickthorn, I believe.
     
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  2. If you believe the press most of the inmates have been squaddies at one point so all they need to do is put them on the other side of the door. Three birds with one stone, reduce overcrowding, increase the guard force and reduce the possibility of riots.
     
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  3. What does he expect the army to do considering they are not trained as prison officers.
     
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  4. Why is the stock response to shortfalls in ability or capacity in pretty much any field 'send in the army'?

    How about just ensuring the responsible agency has enough adequately-trained staff in the first place?
     
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  5. NSP

    NSP LE

    Presumably there'd be some form of pre-deployment training...?

    Mostly in fending off upset union officials, no doubt.
     
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  6. Pah, it'll never work!
     
  7. Well, no. But think of all those gold-plated civil service pensions that have been handily avoided.
     
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  8. Because it means Ministers don't have to make hard decisions.
     
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  9. You'd be surprised just how much training it takes to become a Prison Officer so probably nothing of any use. Whether they receive any training could depend on whether they are going to operate in a similar way to the "normal" regime. If you have 23hr lockdown then very little training is required.
     
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  10. Doesnt seem to take too long, from HM Prison & Probation Service Careers

    Step 6: Placement/ Prison officer entry-level training (POELT) course – Once you have passed the vetting process, you will be invited to attend a Prison Officer Entry-Level Training course, based at your allocated establishment and one of a number of training sites across England and Wales. Once you pass the POELT course, you will begin working at your allocated establishment. Prison officer training is 12 weeks in duration; 10 weeks of that is the POELT course and weeks 1 and 12 are hosted by the home establishment. • Week 1 provides new officers with the opportunity to familiarise themselves with the establishment layout, the role of the establishment and the work they will be expected to carryout after training. • Week 2 – 11 is formal training which is delivered at one of a number of training sites across England and Wales, this is known as Prison Officer Entry Level Training (POELT). • On successful completion of the formal training new officers will return to their establishment for week 12 where they will have a consolidation week, this gives them the opportunity to apply the learning from formal training. The whole process from application to starting your job as a prison officer will take a minimum of 10 weeks. It can take longer depending on your employment history and references. Good luck with your application.
     
  11. Entry level training, I know I did it (and much more). Key thing is though the MoD aren't going to provide 10 weeks training nor are they going to be able to provide the additional trg prison officers are mandated to do nor will they be able to provide the additional training, courses and years of experience Senior Officers aquire let alone the Principal Officers (if that rank still exists) and the numerous governor levels it takes to run a prison such as Belmarsh, Full Sutton, Wakefield etc.

    I'd wager about the only thing Squadies would look forward to in the training is the Control & Restraint side of things, cell take outs etc. Boring stuff such as normal landing duties, escorts and observing in workplaces/gym/chapel etc wouldn't be high on their quality of life list. Mind you SQMS's would be an almost direct transfer for feeding, running the cleaners, supplies & laundry etc.

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the pschologists & parole officers depts should the MoD get deployed though :)
     
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  12. Cynical.
     
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    Well, if this is what a Prison Governor looks like no wonder the prisoners feel they can get away with what they like...

    Perhaps if the Prison head sheds had a shave, smartened themselves up, maybe had a smart uniform as well, then they'd inspire some respect from the inmates...

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  14. Didn't they try using the military to control prisons back in the 80's, not a lot of empathy shown with or to the prisoners as i do recall

    SAS - Operations - Peterhead Prison
     
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