Army chief warns of terrifying prospect of failure

#1
The head of the British Army, General Sir David Richards, has issued a wake-up call to the public by warning of the "terrifying prospect" of a defeat in Afghanistan.
In an unprecedented intervention, the chief of the general staff described the conflict as "this generation's war" and added that failure by Nato would have an "intoxicating effect" on militant Islam.

In his first interview as the head of the Army, Gen Richards told The Sunday Telegraph that if Britain and Nato failed in Afghanistan the risks to the western world would be "enormous" and "unimaginable".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...fying-prospect-of-failure-in-Afghanistan.html
 
#2
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
 
#4
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
 
#5
Bubbles_Barker said:
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
Reform the Knights Templar! :D 8)
 
#6
Werewolf said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
Reform the Knights Templar! :D 8)


ok ill start it
 
#7
longlivethequeen said:
Werewolf said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
Reform the Knights Templar! :D 8)


ok ill start it
Beauseant! :threaten: :D
 
#8
longlivethequeen said:
Werewolf said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
Reform the Knights Templar! :D 8)


ok ill start it
Will you still have the enforced bumming rule?
 
#9
We are going to lose in Afghanistan... The Same way we have lost in Iraq.

Don't confuse this political defeat due to the erosion of public support and lack of proper funding with a military one however. I dare say as long as NATO troops remain in Afghanistan the most important military manouvres will be perfomed by NATO troops. However The Taleban have endless potential recruits and no political masters to answer to.

We have a weakening pool of potential recruits as they're all either too busy sponging off the government being chavs or growiing their hair and listening to Blink 182. We also have a weak government failing to properly fund the war. Not to mention pressures from The EU and The UN which will eventually result in a coalition withdrawal.

The problem is we're not fighting a war against Afghanistan as we were 100 years ago. That war like Op Telic 1 would be a very swiftly won campaign as they were bombed through the floor. We're fighting a war IN Afghanistan with just about anyone who has a beef with the western world. Afghanistan is that bit of grass behind the bike sheds at school where the fights took place but unfortunately its their bit of grass and not ours. All they have to do to win is remain.
 
#11
Perhaps the British public would have more faith in the war if Generals had adequately equipped and supported their men?

Perhaps the British public would have more support for the war if other NATO countries displayed a similar level of concern for the global threat posed by Afghan farmers?

As we hear of yet another refusal of this Government to support their Generals by refusing to fund another 5 chinook helicopters, why the hell should we have ANY faith in the political leadership of this war?

Don't blame the British people for failure in Afghanistan, the reason for the lack of support lies at the abject failure of "leadership" in the MoD and Govt.
 
#12
nigegilb said:
Perhaps the British public would have more support for the war if other NATO countries displayed a similar level of concern for the global threat posed by Afghan farmers?
I will assume you haven't done a recent tour in Afghanistan as those boys definately aren't just Afghan farmers.
 
#13
Closet_Jibber said:
We are going to lose in Afghanistan... The Same way we have lost in Iraq.
I watched an interesting film last night.... Body of Lies, with Leo DiCaprio and Russel Crowe...

Crowe's character(CIA Head of Middle East Division) said a few words that I thought were so close to reality and to where we find ourselves today in Afghanistan.... No doublt many will argue, but the the shear truth of the matter and the fact the words will be unpalatable to most, will create massive arguement.... for those in denial... [in my opinion]

Monologue:

"Do we belong there or do we not? It doesn't matter how you would answer that because we are there. We're tired, and we can't see the end. We can't even console ourselves that our enemy is just as tired as we are. Because they're not. It is a fallacy that prolonged war will weaken an occupied enemy. It most likely will make your enemy stronger. They get used to the deprivation, and they adapt and respond accordingly. While here at home with every death reported we have to deal with a public-opinion trajectory that slides rapidly from supportive to negative to downright hostile. People just get sick and tired of a moment's silence at a ball game.They just wanna be told that it's over."

"Our enemy has realized that they are fighting guys from the future. Now, ahem, it is brilliant as it is infuriating. If you live like it's the past, and you behave like it's the past then guys from the future find it very hard to see you. If you throw away your cell phone, shut down your e-mail pass all your instructions face-to-face, hand-to-hand turn your back on technology and just disappear into the crowd No flags. No uniforms. You got your basic grunts on the ground there. They're looking going, "Who is it we're fighting?" In a situation like this, your friends dress just like your enemies and your enemies dress like your friends. What I need you to fully understand is that these people, they do not wanna negotiate. Not at all. They want the universal caliphate established across the face of the Earth and they want every infidel converted or dead."

"So, what's changed is that our allegedly unsophisticated enemy has caughten on to the factually unsophisticated truth...we're an easy target. We are an easy target and our world as we know it is a lot simpler to put to an end than you might think."

Go out and get the movie. Its a must see.. ;)
 
#14
Carcass said:
longlivethequeen said:
Werewolf said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.
Don't think they won't follow you into hell............

I think if they let loose the Christian fundamentalist lalas in the US on 'em there'd be a pretty good punch up!
Reform the Knights Templar! :D 8)


ok ill start it
Will you still have the enforced bumming rule?
I think you're confusing the Poor Soldiers of Christ with 3 Para Morters! 8O :D
 
#15
ALVIN said:
Why is the General resorting to scare tactics?
The scare tactics are aimed at brown, not the people. Brown does not listen to experts, evidence, simple common sense. Gen. Richards is trying another tactic. Hopefully, this one will work, but i doubt it.
 
#16
Closet_Jibber said:
nigegilb said:
Perhaps the British public would have more support for the war if other NATO countries displayed a similar level of concern for the global threat posed by Afghan farmers?
I will assume you haven't done a recent tour in Afghanistan as those boys definately aren't just Afghan farmers.
CJ, not seen a recent breakdown of percentage of foreign fighters in Afg.

Would you accept that the majority are Pashtun? Fighters from islamic movement of Uzbekistan (ALQ Links) have been reported to be fighting in the North. What is your estimate of percentage of "others" making up the Taliban fighters?

Could be it is time to start drawing up plans for an emboldened ALQ and its implications here in the UK. Not pretty I agree, Richards came close to calling it a religious war, interesting choice of words.
 
#17
nigegilb said:
Closet_Jibber said:
nigegilb said:
Perhaps the British public would have more support for the war if other NATO countries displayed a similar level of concern for the global threat posed by Afghan farmers?
I will assume you haven't done a recent tour in Afghanistan as those boys definately aren't just Afghan farmers.
CJ, not seen a recent breakdown of percentage of foreign fighters in Afg.

Would you accept that the majority are Pashtun? Fighters from islamic movement of Uzbekistan (ALQ Links) have been reported to be fighting in the North. What is your estimate of percentage of "others" making up the Taliban fighters?
Greater than they would have us believe. There are simply not that many p1ssed off Afghan farmers to be replenning them at the rate they currently are.

I have a good mate who I was out there with during my tour who returned and carried out lots of OP's along the border with Pakistan. His words not mine:

"My blueys were short because we already had lots to write about."

Make of that what you will.
 
#18
We are fighting a "hearts and minds" war....with a religion thrown in. Mission impossible or so it would seem. Time for some lateral thinking or thinking outside the box. Because so far the approach is not working.

A friend of mine said "If we could hold on to one place and push in the re-construction team. Supplying a hospital with a generator to work the washing machines in order for there to be clean bed linen. It would make a small but significant difference."

From small projects....larger ones develop.
 
#19
I am assuming there is a limitless supply of suicide bombers, being churned out in Pak. At the end of the day, if the Afghan people themselves refuse to withdraw their tacit support for Taliban we should bring our boys home. If support from local Afghans is dependent on them believing the coalition presence is a permanent one, then Obama's administration is currently doing a great job in destroying that belief.

This mission is being fcuked from all ways up. Richards is whistling in the wind if he thinks Gordon will listen.
 
#20
Fallschirmjager said:
Muslims and Islam will rule the world anyway one day so might as well let it happen sooner then later. Christians or Atheists for that matter haven't the bottle any more to stand up to them. At least I'll be dead by then so don't give a fcuk.

Unless we take on board what Steven Moxon said back in 2004…

"An international alliance of Islamic Year Zeros feverishly exporting death to 'infidel' and non-fundamentalist Muslim alike, by Kamikazes literally in their millions, eventually will have to be silenced by nuclear weapons."



I can see there being a big future in green, phosphorescent glass in the Middle East in my lifetime.
 

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