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Army Bomb Classes To Halve Helmand Deaths

#1
Sounds like more Liebour spin to make it look to the public masess that they (Labour/MOD Plc) are doing something posotive to me.
Opinions chaps?...

Sky News

1:46am UK, Saturday September 19, 2009

Geoff Meade, Defence correspondent
The Army has overhauled its training in the hope it can more than halve the Afghanistan death rate, Sky News has learned.

Military drivers, suppliers and even chefs are being trained to spot deadly explosives as figures show that eight out of ten deaths are down to bombs.

Despite the constant political argument over armoured vehicles, the Army believes more lives would be saved from better training than from a few more Viking vehicles.

It has redrawn the syllabus for recruits' basic training to make spotting and avoiding Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) the priority.

Senior officers now claim that Britain's management of bomb threats is among the best in the world, with far more devices discovered than are actually detonated.

Counter Measures Specialist Colonel Christopher Clayden said troops are being trained to spot the bombs so that devices can be made safe.

"Ideally we need to get at the bombers, we need to get left of the bang, as we say, to prevent them being put there in the first place.

"But once they are placed it isn't too late. We have the ability to protect and the drills and skills to minimise the casualties."

Intelligence reports on bombs defused intact are incorporated into lectures within days so that trainees get the latest information.

Trainees also hear from soldiers who have lived through such attacks, like ten-year veteran Corporal Mohsin Shah who had a narrow escape when a vehicle in front struck an anti-tank mine.

"With an IED threat you don't know where it's coming from. It's an invisible threat. Every step you take, you worry about it.

"You don't know what's going to happen in the next couple of seconds or the next moment.

"So it is more frightful dealing with IEDs rather than a direct contact with the enemy."

The Army believes that an increase in armoured vehicles would save 30% more lives, but hope this new form of training could save double that percentage.
 
#2
the Army believes more lives would be saved from better training than from a few more Viking vehicles.
Amended version:

the MOD bean counters are hoping that more money would be saved from a PowerPoint presentation during build-up than from buying a few more vital Viking vehicles.
Whilst I think extra training based around the IED threat could be a good deal of use in the current conflict, this article reeks of using the idea to shroud cost cutting and money saving at the expense of troops.

Training and more armoured vehicles please, Gordon.
 
#4
Military drivers, suppliers and even chefs are being trained to spot deadly explosives as figures show that eight out of ten deaths are down to bombs.
"With an IED threat you don't know where it's coming from. It's an invisible threat. Every step you take, you worry about it.
I know it's from two different sources but people are being trained to spot invisible threats? :?
 
#5
Fallschirmjager said:
The trouble is is that there are so many VP's and VA's (vulnerable points/areas) in theatre that it is impossible to Op Barma them all.
And with Fal's point made, the playing with "percentages" is a dangerous game for the MOD to broadcast.
 
#7
Why does'nt the Army/MoD take the time to talk to & listen to lads like Fally before coming out with these hair brained schemes.Imaging how much more lives &,more importantly in the eye's of our current Gov,money,would be saved.
Lads like Faly who have Op Experience in oodles are the ones who can make a difference by passing thta experience on imho.

(Sorry that might sound bone,the last Op I was on was Granby)
 
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#8
Spike - do you really think they do not listen (or even are) people who have 'been on ops' - all this is doing is bringing C_IED into core business. And about time too - the earlier people know about the threat, the more they will assimilate in core training and then in PDT/ MST.

More armour is not the only answer - it is all about TTP and the right kit for the task.
 
#11
Whilst i agree with more training, hitting the recruits with this maybe not the right time. They may say they will get up-to-date training but i suspect that will fall by the way side. And as someone says, who will give this training? Id prefer the experts to be teaching it to a Unit that is about to deploy than to Recruits that 1/3 may never deploy, and some may not reach end of training etc.
By all means "teach" what the Army is doing now, on all Ops, but Op training detail should be done prior to deployment.
 
#12
Army Bomb Classes To Halve Helmand Deaths
I also cannot see how these classes will halve the casualty rate to IED. When blokes go out on patrol whether in vehicle or on foot they have a thorough understanding of the threat and what to look for. They are briefed and rehearsed before deploying and when in theatre. We don't just send blokes out with a vallon and say 'Just go look for IED's'. Those who carry out Op Barma are fully up to date and trained on how to use the equipment and carry out the drills.

The problem lies in the fact that we can't Op Barma the whole of the patrol and even if we did we'd still miss a few.
 
#15
I'm not sure if they mean recruits as in, early stage army training or if they are just goin on about unit training which has been going on in Combat units anyway. Any further training in Barma drills etc is always going to be a good thing, however with the nature of the threat as it is, and with devices and laying techniques being enhanced by the talibs after every offensive op we mount, surely the main time to hammer this stuff is at the optag stage if anything just to avoid people getting into bad habits with their drills as you see with some people when it comes to weapon handling etc. "Halve deaths" what a ridiculous and naive statement to make.
 
#16
CQMS said:
Remember the 200 bomb docs that were going to be available, here they are.
I don´t think that anyone believed that 200 extra bomb gods would suddenly become availible.

It is a bit like when he said 1000 troops to be brought home from Iraq by Christmas i.e. bollox/lie.

It is all well and good banging on about we need more armoured vehicles and lift (which we do) but at some point we need to get out of those and move on foot. The more training the better.
 

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