Army blames Iraq for drop in recruits

#3
'People join the Territorials for a hobby,' said another source. 'They don't expect to end up being sent to Iraq for six months, taking casualties and seeing a lot of killing. There is no end in sight to the war in Iraq. That is what is really putting people off.'
:lol:

A hobby LOL!!

They may as well as put this in,
"People join the Army for the ice cream", said another source. "They prefer vanilla but after cutbacks only chocolate is available"
I would say there are some valid points in the article then they mix in a bit of speculation just give it added punch!!
 
#4
Anyone who joins the terriers now and doesnt expect to be deployed is looking at the world from beneath blinkers. If it gets bad, I fully expect a envelope.
 
#5
Never knew that all our potential Crows had such high moral opinions.

Nothing to do with The Army getting cut whilst simultaneously having everybody except those actually on Barrack Guard either in Iraq or NI.

Unlike the Guardian to use a load of nonsense as an excuse to grind it`s anti war axe.
 
#6
i think some of it , is how squaddies are getting crapped on when their services are no longer needed.
wages is lower than civvie street
the regimental mergers
 
#8
come_to_arrest_the_zulus said:
why do a hard job when you can sit on your arse and claim benefits??

that's the way most 17/18 year olds will see it
Do you know that for a fact? Why don't you actually ask some of these young people rather than slate them because they make an easy target.

Think about it, if you were looking for a job that you could do well in, were appreciated and get paid a decent wage fpr the hard work you put in would you choose the Army? I sure as hell know that it's not the money that keeps you wearing the uniform.
 
#9
army_of_1 said:
come_to_arrest_the_zulus said:
why do a hard job when you can sit on your arse and claim benefits??

that's the way most 17/18 year olds will see it
Do you know that for a fact? Why don't you actually ask some of these young people rather than slate them because they make an easy target.

Think about it, if you were looking for a job that you could do well in, were appreciated and get paid a decent wage fpr the hard work you put in would you choose the Army? I sure as hell know that it's not the money that keeps you wearing the uniform.
yes I think I do no that. I'm 21, my brother is 18, so I know a hell of a lot of youths of different classes and backgrounds
 
#10
Well I have to confess, at the moment I would not advise anyone to join up for a couple of reasons:

Blair / TCH cannot be trusted, to send our troops to war with the correct kit.
Blair / TCH can be trusted to lie about the reasons for a war.
Blair / TCH will make sure that there are plenty of lawyers ready to prosecute you is you make a mistake.
Blair / TCH cannot be trusted not to cut you out as soon as he thinks you are too expensive. He will then calim its all the Army's idea.
Blair / TCH will take on more commitments at the same time as making cuts.

Once TCH and B Lair are no longer in government I might reconsider my position.
 
#11
If I was a youngster looking at the Forces as an option, I too would give it a miss.

The reasons? All of the above, also a distict lack of care or compensation for you, should you be injuried as a result of deployment. :evil:

So poor recruiting, poor retention and now cut-backs........makes sense doesn't it :?
 
#12
i think the army has done its self no favours in its image by not robustly defending itself over Deepcut etc. And then all the negative publicity over IRAQ plus the feeling that neither the heirarchy or the politicians give a stuff about the armed forces would put people off.
 
#13
It seems the US are worried too:
In the latest sign of the pressures of the Iraq war on the American military, the National Guard is tripling bonuses to new recruits and soldiers willing to re-enlist in an effort to stop a sharp fall in recruitment.

The guard is 10,000 below its standard strength of 350,000 after a second month of poor recruitment figures, and there is concern that, if the insurgency continues or worsens, the decline could become a haemorrhage.

The figures alarm the Pentagon as the guard - the US version of the Territorial Army - and the reserves comprise about 40 per cent of the 150,000 troops in Iraq, carrying out most support roles.

Lt Gen Steven Blum, the head of the National Guard, said: "We're in a more difficult recruiting environment. There's no question."
 

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#14
So, what's the chances of the Army tripling Retention bonuses, and Bounty for the TA?

Answers on a postcard, please, to Mr TC Hoon :!:
 
#15
don't tell them about the bounty or a they'll tax it or b add in the operational requirement to qualify. they're rumoured to be looking at removing the lock out period following call up.
 
#16
The USNG are not really the equivalent of the TA. The USNG use ABRAMS, Bradley, F 16, A 10.... I did the exchange thang and asked the specific question at a firepower demo: if I was a US civvie, with no flying experience, could I join and learn to fly F16/A10? Yes, was the instant reply - "But its a real bummer, man: if you do that, they make you sign on for five years... :lol: "

If they do not show up for a weekend, they can get jailed: they also get benefits that put us to shame - cheap kit ( not NAAFI cheap, but PX cheap - Levis for $30?? ) they get cheap loans and they get free college after their service. I'm not sure if they get a pension, but I expect so.

Downside: ( apart from 12 month deployments ) the courses they attend are not bthe same as the Reg ones, they are the Reg ones - their young Platoon leaders do the same Fort Bragg course as the Regs.
 
#17
Bravo_Bravo said:
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Downside: ( apart from 12 month deployments )
Only 12 months? Isn't that a tad optimistic these days? I recall an article recently about some poor scroats who deployed in June 2003 being extended to after the elections in January.

The mind boggles. 'Kin Ell! springs to mind. :?
 
#19
What do you expect though, yanks!? Wouldn't mind a bit of that myself, I'd settle for keeping our Pinnys and stopping the Landys from leaking oil! Place your bets now, how long until we see the new landy replacement, 12 years?
 
#20
Bravo_Bravo said:
they get free college after their service. I'm not sure if they get a pension, but I expect so.
Paying students thro college is one of their main selling points, I believe they organise recruit training around term times.

Yes they get a pension
 

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