Army battalion kept from Iraq to guard Queen

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Woofers(Pass the Regimental Sauce) & Shirewood Forseters (Hope the're more use then their local police who after 600 years still haven't caught Robin Hood. Looking after Ar Liz! Ah troops cumming home !
john
 
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http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/54788.html

Early return to Iraq for Scots while English guard Queen

IAN BRUCE, Defence Correspondent January 23 2006

The Scots Guards are being sent to Iraq for the second time in eight months because the battalion scheduled to go to Basra is tied up on royal ceremonial duties in London.
The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters was the unit expected to deploy to Iraq this month as part of the normal, six-monthly turnover of UK forces.
The English battalion had already sent out an advance party before Christmas to conduct a reconnaissance of its area of responsibility. It has now been told it cannot be spared from guarding royal palaces and taking part in the Queen's birthday parade.
The Scots Guards, based in Munster, Germany, are to go instead, despite the fact they returned from their last Iraq tour only in May and were supposed to have a 24-month gap between operations to allow them to catch up on leave and training schedules.
The short-notice deployment reinforces The Herald's revelation last month that one in 12 of Britain's overstretched infantry is now tied up on ceremonial duties or training for state occasions when the Army is struggling to meet manpower requirements for Iraq, Afghanistan and the Balkans and facing a recruitment crisis.
The latest manning figures seen by The Herald show that the Scots Guards are 127 men short of full strength.
A senior serving officer said: "To add insult to injury, there are combat and support units cooling their heels in the UK on warning-to-move notice for Afghanistan. They can't take the leave they're due or go anywhere else while the politicians prevaricate over the size of the deployment and when it'll be sent."
Jeff Duncan, organiser of the Save the Scottish Regiments campaign, said: "While the Jocks of the Scots Guards will undoubtedly do their duty, as always, it's the families left behind at their base in Munster who will suffer most from separation and anxiety for the safety of their husbands and fathers."
He added: "If the Army is so short of men that it has to deploy a unit twice within eight months, then something's seriously wrong... It's small wonder that even the part-time soldiers of the Territorial Army are resigning at the rate of between 500 and 600 a month, faced with repeated six-month tours of duty every three years."
The Scots Guards, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards and the Black Watch have all done more than one tour since the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. Almost every other Scottish regiment has had at least one tour, while additional groups of about 100 soldiers from several have been drafted in to make up numbers for other regiments.
The Black Watch lost five killed when they were deployed in support of US forces in November, 2004. The regiment had also taken part in the original invasion and were instrumental in capturing Basra.
Army insiders say the English regiment left behind is "bitterly disappointed". A source spoke of bitterness within the Worcester and Sherwood Foresters that they would be "relegated to standing guard and presenting arms outside palaces and playing at toy soldiers on parade".
The Scots Guards are being sent to Iraq for the second time in eight months because the battalion scheduled to go to Basra is tied up on royal ceremonial duties in London.
 
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An alternative view would be that 1 SG and 1 WFR would have totally different roles in Iraq - one has Warriors and the other... doesn't. They are not like for like replacements.

Idiotic non-story pointless article.
 
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barbs said:
An alternative view would be that 1 SG and 1 WFR would have totally different roles in Iraq - one has Warriors and the other... doesn't. They are not like for like replacements.

Idiotic non-story pointless article.
Far from it Barbs. The whole point is that it gives the Herald another excuse to throw a wedge between
Scottish and English soldiers, with the Jocks going off to fight England's war while their soldiers stag on in
safety. Bizarrely, I thought we were all British soldiers.
 
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Perevodchik said:
barbs said:
An alternative view would be that 1 SG and 1 WFR would have totally different roles in Iraq - one has Warriors and the other... doesn't. They are not like for like replacements.

Idiotic non-story pointless article.
Far from it Barbs. The whole point is that it gives the Herald another excuse to throw a wedge between
Scottish and English soldiers, with the Jocks going off to fight England's war while their soldiers stag on in
safety. Bizarrely, I thought we were all British soldiers.
Just trying to start a rumour?
 
#13
RCSignals said:
Just trying to start a rumour?
Not so sure, WFR's probably the most unknown regiment in the UK, it gets kept at home to allow anothers Regts to be in the lime light.
The Mercians will have this problem aswell, they've already made plans to disband Mercian TA Coys to allow more famous Regiments to their Coys within its TA Battalion.
 
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Merlin , heard the rumour , is it confirmed?
 
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IAN BRUCE said:
The Scots Guards are being sent to Iraq for the second time in eight months because the battalion scheduled to go to Basra is tied up on royal ceremonial duties in London.
The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters was the unit expected to deploy to Iraq this month as part of the normal, six-monthly turnover of UK forces.
The English battalion had already sent out an advance party before Christmas to conduct a reconnaissance of its area of responsibility. It has now been told it cannot be spared from guarding royal palaces and taking part in the Queen's birthday parade.
The Scots Guards, based in Munster, Germany, are to go instead, despite the fact they returned from their last Iraq tour only in May and were supposed to have a 24-month gap between operations to allow them to catch up on leave and training schedules.
Nice story - only been back from Iraq since May - but conveniently neglecting to comment that the WFR only came back from Afghanistan themselves in April! So they've hardly had their 24 months either, have they Mr Bruce?
 
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merkator said:
IAN BRUCE said:
The Scots Guards are being sent to Iraq for the second time in eight months because the battalion scheduled to go to Basra is tied up on royal ceremonial duties in London.
The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters was the unit expected to deploy to Iraq this month as part of the normal, six-monthly turnover of UK forces.
The English battalion had already sent out an advance party before Christmas to conduct a reconnaissance of its area of responsibility. It has now been told it cannot be spared from guarding royal palaces and taking part in the Queen's birthday parade.
The Scots Guards, based in Munster, Germany, are to go instead, despite the fact they returned from their last Iraq tour only in May and were supposed to have a 24-month gap between operations to allow them to catch up on leave and training schedules.
Nice story - only been back from Iraq since May - but conveniently neglecting to comment that the WFR only came back from Afghanistan themselves in April! So they've hardly had their 24 months either, have they Mr Bruce?
As the above appeared in the Scottish Newspaper it was for Scottish readers and Mr Bruce an ex Scots Guardsman himself most probably couldn't give two hoots about the WFR.
 
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TartanJock said:
As the above appeared in the Scottish Newspaper it was for Scottish readers and Mr Bruce an ex Scots Guardsman himself most probably couldn't give two hoots about the WFR.
You're probably spot on with that comment. But the main thrust of Bruce's arguement was that the infantry are overstretched, with a little dig at the establishment as a secondary lunge. If he'd mentioned the point about the WFR also only having returned from noddy land within the last 12 months, it would have made his case even stronger. Not so?
 
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Overstretch, hmm. Scottish Battalions have to produce a full Company every year to go to Ballater for the Royal Guard, but do they complain ? CO and OC won~t but the Jocks and their wives may !!

A large amount of their time will be spent tabbing around hills as extremely wealthy members of the international establishment and organisations such as News Corp and Bill Gates get to sample the "thrill of the kill". Of course the highly trained infanteers do the hard bit of locating the shot stag, killing it, and the Pony Platoon drag the beast back to the Lodge, sorting out the expensive Royal venison for resale through the Royal Estate shops, boiling the head and antlers for presentation items to the businessman.

"Too busy and noone else could do it ?" Well the Coy do also do the guard (MOD plod then), dance at the Factors Balls and significantly increase the local Highland gene pool.

I assume this is one element of overstretch that Bruce will want to overlook ? Notwithstanding the experience for the lads, one might question if this is really how they should be used ? Sounds like using soldiers for business purposes to me.
 
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I had a discussion along these lines with an old jock.

He'd never served but lamented the loss of the Scottish Regiments. I then told him about the other cuts, i.e. the English ones, in particular the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of Foot. He just looked at me and said, but the Scots have a strong history. I pointed out the Cheshires had never been amalgamated. He told me that the Royal Scots were the oldest regiment. You can guess the rest of the conversation.

All true, yes, but I feel North of the border there are many who couldn't give a hoot about the other regiments going to the dogs, just their own, and as such the story of the WFRs guarding the Queen whilst the Scots Guards (mainly from Preston i believe) go to Iraq once again. The fat that the WFRs have only just returned from Afganistan would spoil the story.
 

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