Army base closures - bad news

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Army bases: Hammond announces site closures


Some 16,000 troops and their families have yet to return from Germany


Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has announced details of which Army bases will close as troops return from Germany.
Seven sites are to be disposed off in England, Scotland and Wales.
Some 16,000 troops and their families will be moved back to the UK over the next five years.
Returning forces will be stationed around Salisbury Plain, Edinburgh and Leuchars, Catterick, Aldershot, Colchester, Stafford and East Midlands.
Mr Hammond said the return of troops from Germany marked the end of an era, and thanked the German government and people for their "material and moral" support.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21665240

As I said, bad news. In that the article doesn't get around to telling us which Army bases are due to close despite the title.
 
#4
I see there's a new RMP unit.

Special Operations Unit Royal Military Police (SourMP). How apt, especially as they're going to longmoor.
 
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#6
Good lord there's no one left. Do we now qualify as a defence force?
The Army might. Not sure about the paramilitary wing of BMI Baby. :rabbit:

We've not had an "all out" war since 1945. Granted the services have remained very active but isn't a slimmed down Defence Force the kind of thing we should be able to manage with after almost 70 years without direct threat of invasion and 20 years after the end of the Cold War? The Army should have been home before now, a benefit of Europe's maturity as a continent.

Vested interests and lobbies aside why not merge all 3 services into one, smaller, force still?
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#7
it depends on if they decide to include abbey wood in the deployable force figures.

we should be a defense force by our own definition which of course means they'll just redefine it.

that or change the title to 'dept for homeland (and a few other bits) security', we're sorry that due to cost cutting and shit spending plans nobody is available to wage your war right now, please leave a message after the beep.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#9
The Army might. Not sure about the paramilitary wing of BMI Baby. :rabbit:

We've not had a "all out" war since 1945. Granted the services have remained very active but isn't a slimmed down Defence Force the kind of thing we should be able to manage with after almost 70 years without direct threat of invasion and 20 years after the end of the Cold War? A benefit of Europe's maturity as a continent.

Vested interests and lobbies aside why not merge all 3 services into one, smaller, force still?
well the navy is supposed to be a combined arms force.
 
#10
HQ 11th Infantry Bde to locate in Aldershot ????? Good thing we closed it down four years ago then, I guess they can blow locks on the old building, dust off the cobwebs and resume work?

Actually, it looks like the "new" 11 Bde is the merging of 145X and 2X to form a new Reserve Bde.

Light Dragoons loose Swanton Morely to the QDG! Ouch.
 
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#11
well the navy is supposed to be a combined arms force.
There's been a tremendous amount of cooperation and transfer of personnel into roles in Afghanistan. Naval medics with Army, Joint Helicopter units, Naval & RAF air support etc. Every individual service has elements of the other two services within their commands. Naval helicopters, Royal Marines, RAF Regiment, AAC, RLC units with boats etc

It makes sense to formalise it all under one banner. One force. The only thing that would stop it would be lobbys and "tradition".
 
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We've not had an "all out" war since 1945. Granted the services have remained very active but isn't a slimmed down Defence Force the kind of thing we should be able to manage with after almost 70 years without direct threat of invasion and 20 years after the end of the Cold War? The Army should have been home before now, a benefit of Europe's maturity as a continent.
The French and Belgians are going to be upset when we pull out of Europe. We made a right mess of the beaches last time.
 
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The Army might. Not sure about the paramilitary wing of BMI Baby. :rabbit:

We've not had an "all out" war since 1945. Granted the services have remained very active but isn't a slimmed down Defence Force the kind of thing we should be able to manage with after almost 70 years without direct threat of invasion and 20 years after the end of the Cold War? The Army should have been home before now, a benefit of Europe's maturity as a continent.

Vested interests and lobbies aside why not merge all 3 services into one, smaller, force still?
Canada and 1960s ring a bell? They have gone back to the old model now of Army, RCN and RCAF coz it didn't work!
 
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#15
Canada and 1960s ring a bell? They have gone back to the old model now of Army, RCN and RCAF coz it didn't work!
Any idea why? Was it people not wanting it to work because they lost out or were there other reasons? How long did they give it?

I've been through transitions as my employer was taken over a couple of times. Methods and branding etc change as a result. I could see it be hard short term because whoever was in command would either have been Army, Navy or Air Force previously and people woud have to get used to changes. But eventually the leadership would all be "Defence Force" and the changes would be the norm again.
 
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Any idea why? Was it people not wanting it to work because they lost out or were there other reasons? How long did they give it?
Part was the loss of esprit de corps, part because, despite all being lumped-in to the same force, the different factions continued in their traditional roles, making it a bit of a nonsense. I think they gave it a fair go before returning to the status-quo.
 
#18
None going to Northern Ireland and it's going to be losing one of it's major units
 

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