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I'd thought about that myself, and suspect it's similarly hi. However, civpol have a much wider brief covering the entire population with a good proportion of those recidivists being somewhat difficult to pin down or even find. The military is much more of a captive population, so many of the issues that plague civpol and hamper investigations, wouldn't exist in the military.
I remember being flagged down by a para on the Colchester Married Patch. He'd gone out of the back gate and couldn't get back in, so faced a walk of a couple of miles (made worse that he didn't actually know where he was going).
I dropped him off away from Merville front gate so he wouldn't be seen and said to him "just remember this on a Thursday night." He said he appreciated the lift and that we weren't all bastards!
I'd thought about that myself, and suspect it's similarly hi. However, civpol have a much wider brief covering the entire population with a good proportion of those recidivists being somewhat difficult to pin down or even find. The military is much more of a captive population, so many of the issues that plague civpol and hamper investigations, wouldn't exist in the military.
I did quite a few joint foot patrols with civpol in towns were soldiers socialised. They were quite envious of the way we asked a soldier to do something and they did as a rule. They didn't get the same cooperation from civilians.
Would complaints of bullying on a training course not usually be dealt with as a service complaint, and only passed on to police at the point that statements etc had been taken and seen to show that an offence had occurred. Otherwise , it would be dealt with by the service complaint process? The way it is written up in the news sounds as if even the recruits who were affected were apparently unsure of what the problem was? It sounds really bizarre.
Would complaints of bullying on a training course not usually be dealt with as a service complaint, and only passed on to police at the point that statements etc had been taken and seen to show that an offence had occurred. Otherwise , it would be dealt with by the service complaint process? The way it is written up in the news sounds as if even the recruits who were affected were apparently unsure of what the problem was? It sounds really bizarre.
Depends, we receive allegations of bullying from a number of sources. SC being one, Climate Assessment being another.
As soon as anything criminal comes out its referred to us fairly promptly, depending on the unit.
Again this is a generic observation of all investigation, not just criminal - As with all witness evidence, perception is everything. Eg. To someone, a bollocking could be the worst thing in the world, to another, its all part and parcel of being in the Army. Banter can be taken out of context and misconstrued as bullying, not even by the victim, but an onlooker. This is why initiations have been banned in unit bars, why ARTD takes training and safeguarding so seriously and why E&D Climate assessments are so important.
The old 'if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined' attitude is long dead.
I did quite a few joint foot patrols with civpol in towns were soldiers socialised. They were quite envious of the way we asked a soldier to do something and they did as a rule. They didn't get the same cooperation from civilians.
Which can be hugely helpful or paradoxically, can hamper an investigation. A half decent brief would argue that any witness was intimidated or coerced into making a favourable statement due to the presence of the over-baring MP.
It's shite I know, but that probably how the defence would go.
Nope, totally independent. In my day, we couldn't be disciplined by a non member of RMP, it had to be one of our own SNCOs/officers. That may have changed though.
I believe that was to prevent 'retribution'. IIRC RMP CoC were quite brutal if you highlighted a failing in one of their underlings. It didn't count for lone monkeys on E2 etc.
harking back to the '90s and the god awful 'Oak' on Hohne. Walking back towards the Caen Bks would take you past the RMP station. Cue. 'ere, mate. You got the keys? What f*cking keys? The f*cking monkeys! And lots of laughter at our barracks and white Sam browned associates.
Nope, totally independent. In my day, we couldn't be disciplined by a non member of RMP, it had to be one of our own SNCOs/officers. That may have changed though.
I believe that was to prevent 'retribution'. IIRC RMP CoC were quite brutal if you highlighted a failing in one of their underlings. It didn't count for lone monkeys on E2 etc.
harking back to the '90s and the god awful 'Oak' on Hohne. Walking back towards the Caen Bks would take you past the RMP station. Cue. 'ere, mate. You got the keys? What f*cking keys? The f*cking monkeys! And lots of laughter at our barracks and white Sam browned associates.
The Oak! On a balmy summer evening you didn't need to wait for the phone to ring. If you had the window open in the Police Station you just needed to listen out for the shouting, screaming and the sound of glass breaking!