Army 2020 Refine

PWRR is Kent, Surry, Sussex, Middlesex Hampshire no change in almost 26 years. For the other 3 years in QUEENS it was Kent, Surry, Sussex, Middlesex.
It’s about 125 miles (as the crow flies) from Ramsgate to Andover, so hardly the boy next door, or even the next street, village, town, City or County :)

Indeed Andover to Stoke, Andover to Plymouth and Andover to Boston are of similar distances and I would argue someone from Andover has as much or as little in common with people from these places as someone from Ramsgate.

The ‘local boys’ serving together scenario was useful and of its time, that time has been dead in all but imagination for a long time and (in my opinion) hanging on to it is detrimental to Infantry recruiting :)
 
Guards you just make into "The Royal Regiment of Footguards" which has a company of each, GG, CG, IG, WG, SG.

Probably couldn't call that "Her Majesty's Colonial Regiment" but could probably put R Welsh in PoW Regt. Maybe Irish as well or put them in Scots.
 
Christ we definitely don't want to go "Full Canadian" and go for a Tri-Service model.

I agree that it 'could' be by geographical location. But it can also be through a Regimental pride without the need for a geographic basis.
There has to be some common bond. I served with the Infantry Demonstration Battalion in the 80s which was totally composite and mission focused and I probably had more fun in it than my own Battalion.
 
Calm down John I have a life. I dont live on here waiting to get back to John G and your rants about changing the Infantry, maybe you should of worked a little harder and become the CGS. Then you could of played with the train set like all the other CGSs do.
Rumour has it that he (CGS not John G ^~ ) is about to grow a set and give some direction on the way ahead. We will see :)
 
Rumour has it that he (CGS not John G ^~ ) is about to grow a set and give some direction on the way ahead. We will see :)
Isn't he in the final days now? Direction for his successor to maybe continue with?
Or is this the same game of "I've just announced A2020, you've got to keep me in post to deliver it"
 
Up the number of Light inf bns.
16AA will be out of the loop as the dedicated "smash and grab" airborne capability.
For anything else, rule of 3 should kick in if there is any chance of an enduring deployment: 1 on, 1 just off, 1 preparing to go on, though that is dependent on some one not radically deviating to the 6 month emergency tour mentality.

Smaller numbers could be more manageable if deployment lengths were increased to maybe a year, however I'm sure it would somehow get complicated by the deployment not tying up neatly withh the designated training year, which is offset from the financial year as it is.

We don't make things easy for ourselves do we?
Isn’t the rotation now a tour every 3 years or something?

But UK Government seems to want out of the enduring ops permanently.

My question is how many Light Inf Bns are required (leaving cap badges aside)?
The problem is what happens if a short op becomes enduring.
3 Cdo found out when they went on Jacana in 2001 and it went on a bit, that having only 3 units of Mountain trained / familiarised troops was a bit restricting
 
Rumour has it that he (CGS not John G ^~ ) is about to grow a set and give some direction on the way ahead. We will see :)
Please we could do with some in-service guts rather than take the KCB and pension and then whinge. It will be him and not the new Sec of Sate for defence - who lacks the neccesary hair on his cheeks to be able to make much difference at the top table.
If 1000 Royal Marines are to be shown the door then CGS will be bludgening the Politicos with his fists and double DSO, respect sir.
 
Please we could do with some in-service guts rather than take the KCB and pension and then whinge. It will be him and not the new Sec of Sate for defence - who lacks the neccesary hair on his cheeks to be able to make much difference at the top table.
If 1000 Royal Marines are to be shown the door then CGS will be bludgening the Politicos with his fists and double DSO, respect sir.
Woops I thoght Lt General sir Gordon Messenger was CGS, my mistake.
 
As a Yorkshire man I'd rather not merge with 'them over there' but I think it would make more sense if maybe we move to a point where we almost capbadge as Divisions with each having maybe 4 Bns, 3 Regular and 1 Reserve. 3 Regular split into Light, Mech, Armoured. Reserve probably Light for ease of kit.

Could go for
The Rifles
The Celts (SWNI Div)
The Noble North
Them London Lot

Leaving PARA out of it as specialist Air Assault probably, and maybe leave RGR as Light/Jungle specialist.
Do not go half way some one on ARRSE have a go

1. Full measure, become Inf Bn No1 to No32 (did that before 1st Regiment of Foot 1661).

2. Half measure, brake it up FOOT GUARDS 1 to 5, QUEENS Regt 1 to 5, KINGS Regt 1 to 6, RIFLES 1st to 5, PARA 1 and 2.

Or just leave a working Infantry be,
 
That you have even stated that it doesn't matter about cap badges, it's about being professional and that team work.

Whether you come from the same geographic area or not.

And in Battelgroups whether you come from the same capbadge or not.

Seriously, you've got to see how you're managing to disagree with yourself. Are you drunk?
You are one of those blokes that will always be right regardless, do you find that at the bar no one stands near you for long.
 
I would ask, do most potential recruits have a thought to 'join the Army' or do they think 'I think I'll have a look at joining the local regiment'? I suggest the answer is obvious.

I think first thoughts are to join the Army, then a realisation that there's all sorts of things to do in the Army, so there's then the choice of role. I think that, without family or friend ties to a regiment, the local regiment is one of the last considerations, unless maybe they've been exposed to it during a school visit, for example.

Then there's the made up history to buy into and I wonder how important that is and when it occurs.

In my own case with the RN, it was a way of leaving home at 15, that I'd be allowed to do, the fact that my old man was RN and the idea of swaggering around the world 'being a sailor, appealed to me.

My son was looking to join the Rifles due to family connections and heard about the RM at the time because a mate intended to join. Very quickly he decided to be a Bootie because it 'sounded better' than the Rifles. (For him, that is)

Now Commandos really trace their history only to WW2, originally Army, of course. But today's Booties have managed to concoct an unbroken history going back 350 odd years. And they make a big thing of it and most buy into it to a degree.

The history of the RN, vast and honourable in many cases was of no interest to me. I didn't and don't know much about it and it was irrelevant to my service. I think with many in the Army, regimental history is only as important as individuals choose to make it. And a lot of it will be wrong or misunderstood anyway. It seems somewhat absurd to claim anything by association because of what an individual hero might have done in times gone by, though I can see why generating a regimental 'aura' could be beneficial for morale, cohesion and operational effectiveness. And the idea that the best cement is mutual PDT seems to suggest that the here and now is of the most import.

I don't really know enough about the regimental system to offer a view pro or anti its retention. Just thought I'd throw a few thoughts in.
I was going to join the Navy but couldnt see myself in flairs, there is 0 diffrence between your sons pride in his RM history then there is of another Regiment.

Ask him if he is happy to amalgimate with the paras? some pencil pusher will say it makes £ saving. I did join my local Regiment QUEENS now PWRR from London, as did many and yes I did know what I was joining.
 
It’s about 125 miles (as the crow flies) from Ramsgate to Andover, so hardly the boy next door, or even the next street, village, town, City or County :)

Indeed Andover to Stoke, Andover to Plymouth and Andover to Boston are of similar distances and I would argue someone from Andover has as much or as little in common with people from these places as someone from Ramsgate.

The ‘local boys’ serving together scenario was useful and of its time, that time has been dead in all but imagination for a long time and (in my opinion) hanging on to it is detrimental to Infantry recruiting :)
I dont remember saying I know the bloke in the next Company because he lived in the next street, the point is not to rip up what is in palce because we thingk it makes for a more efficent Inf by having 1st Bn to 32nd.
 
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