Army ‘to be cut by 20,000’ if No 10 plan is approved

Yes a quite plausible scenario, apart from Moscow handing back their WW2 trophy and strategic western outpost. It would also lead to the Finlandisation of Germany.
In economic terms, the Kaliningrad enclave is Russia's version of Northern Ireland. It might just suit Putin to get rid of it in exchange for getting Klaipedia back via the re-absorbed Lithuanian Oblast. If Germany is Finlandised and Poland reduced to a rump, the Baltic States will become part of the Rodina again.
 
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I say this in no little admiration...

It doesn't matter - it's the bigger move on the board that matters. If/when the RAF have a CRO (in particular) then they can demonstrate that they are the capability owners for JPR, and thus any funding that will* come it's way will flow into RAF capabilities rather than, say, RN (for RM). Does it matter that the poor bloke will spend 2+ years of his life being thrashed to then never use it whilst wearing crab-fat blue: of course not. It is a smart political move that is about money.

* Frankly is it a moral stain that we contract out our ability to rescue downed airmen (of whatever colour) to another country. Finally we have had our knuckles wrapped and told to do it ourselves, and the money is starting to trickle in.
This.
 
I'm pretty sure the government have zero plans to drop Instant Sunshine on any countries any time soon. But skint or not, they will still find the money to keep Trident. And rightly so.

I doubt that many people would disagree that Cyber Warfare is a growing threat and we need to upgrade both our defensive and offensive capabilities in that area. But it should not be at the expense, no pun intended, of other capabilities that might be equally vital in the long run.

Threats can have a nasty habit of appearing out of the clear blue sky and catching people unawares. It is prudent to maintain as wide a range of options as possible, as one cannot be certain exactly what response will be required. As McMillan eloquently put it, "Events, dear boy, events!"
Wars constantly evolve and so does the fighting style. Tactics in the American civil war, Napoleonic wars, WW2, WW2, Iraq, Afghanistan have all been different. We adapt to the challenges we face and the war style at the time - obviously the brains have decided that we have xxx amount of money to spend and have though about what the future conflicts might be like and are spending money on those.

In an ideal world we would have every single person in the country military trained, we would have the latest tech, super jets, an advanced space program etc, but we don't live in an ideal world - we live in the real world where we need to spend wisely depending on our budget or we have or can screw out of the tax payers - without creating a civil war.
 

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I really didn’t think you could make the armed forces any smaller than what they currently are without causing some real structural damage to the defence of the nation.
We are well past that point IMHO, have been for years, and it’s only getting worse, even if there are no formal cuts, the Army can’t keep up with its outflow, the Navy has carriers it can neither escort nor equip with aircraft, and the RAF somehow isn’t even able to train pilots anymore.
 
Wars constantly evolve and so does the fighting style. Tactics in the American civil war, Napoleonic wars, WW2, WW2, Iraq, Afghanistan have all been different. We adapt to the challenges we face and the war style at the time - obviously the brains have decided that we have xxx amount of money to spend and have though about what the future conflicts might be like and are spending money on those.

In an ideal world we would have every single person in the country military trained, we would have the latest tech, super jets, an advanced space program etc, but we don't live in an ideal world - we live in the real world where we need to spend wisely depending on our budget or we have or can screw out of the tax payers - without creating a civil war.
Great. But we need to spend. That needs women getting nails done, all of us going to the pictures, and going for a curry.
Military trained my arrse. They will hole up waiting three days for a small waterfowl to drift by. Get to Greggs!
 

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An article in the Colchester Gazette today headed "Save our Paras" whereby the paper describes how the MOD may cut the Colchester-based Para Regts to save money.
 
We are well past that point IMHO, have been for years, and it’s only getting worse, even if there are no formal cuts, the Army can’t keep up with its outflow, the Navy has carriers it can neither escort nor equip with aircraft, and the RAF somehow isn’t even able to train pilots anymore.
But the RM are getting Gucy new strides, gatts and 20K each?
 
An article in the Colchester Gazette today headed "Save our Paras" whereby the paper describes how the MOD may cut the Colchester-based Para Regts to save money.
There have been headlines saying that the Paras and Royal Marines are going to be binned going back to the Seventies.
 
In economic terms, the Kaliningrad enclave is Russia's version of Northern Ireland. It might just suit Putin to get rid of it I exchange for getting Klaipedia back via the re-absorbed Lithuanian Oblast. If Germany is Finlandised and Poland reduced to a rump, the Baltics States will become part of the Rodina again.


Kaliningrad is a dump, a properly failed State, but its military utility is priceless.
As long as Vladimir holds it, all the PowerPoints about how the Cavalry will ride to the aid of the Baltics remain just that, electronic dreams that can be snuffed out by a very sharp Russian Damocles. Kaliningrad is the fly in the Baltic ointment NATO tries to pretend doesn't exist.
 
Don't think the RN/RM wasn't trying for the same money.
Well aware of it, they'd hinted at the very least on social media. Top rug pulling but, still sad that it's all about the politics.
 
I say this in no little admiration...

It doesn't matter - it's the bigger move on the board that matters. If/when the RAF have a CRO (in particular) then they can demonstrate that they are the capability owners for JPR, and thus any funding that will* come it's way will flow into RAF capabilities rather than, say, RN (for RM). Does it matter that the poor bloke will spend 2+ years of his life being thrashed to then never use it whilst wearing crab-fat blue: of course not. It is a smart political move that is about money.

* Frankly is it a moral stain that we contract out our ability to rescue downed airmen (of whatever colour) to another country. Finally we have had our knuckles wrapped and told to do it ourselves, and the money is starting to trickle in.

Well, want to play with the grown ups, have to have proper grown up capabilities too.
A section of Booties in a junglie does not a proper CSAR capability make, you need to impress the USMC pilots chucking off the pointy end.
 
Kaliningrad is a dump, a properly failed State, but its military utility is priceless.
As long as Vladimir holds it, all the PowerPoints about how the Cavalry will ride to the aid of the Baltics remain just that, electronic dreams that can be snuffed out by a very sharp Russian Damocles. Kaliningrad is the fly in the Baltic ointment NATO tries to pretend doesn't exist.
Kaliningrad's economy is approximately 10% of the value of that the Moscow Oblast. Klaipeda is also an ice-free port.
 
Those nations that frequently carry out assassinations, covert capture & extraction of undesirables (including all the major powers on the UN Security Council) seem to get away with it
When was the last time that the UK, France, China, or the USA assassinated a Russian, in Russia, and "got away with it"?

3. Russia seems to have keyed in on a basic principle that much of Europe's population is unrepresented and democracy is a sham
As opposed to the Russian way, where even fewer of the population are represented - one man, one vote, if the one man is Putin...

Meanwhile, Dear Leader has just managed another fiddled step towards "President for Life Idi Amin DadaVladimir Putin" by the traditional methods of ballot-box stuffing* and offering a rigged choice in the constitutional referendum:

"Do you want chocolate fountains, unicorns, banning homosexuality, and the removal of the two-term limit for the President; or do you want sh!t for breakfast, regular floggings by foreign atheists, and keep the two-term limit? Pick one!"

* Foolishly, they released the raw polling data, and some enterprising statisticians ran an analysis which rather suggests that the outcome was never in doubt (link)...
 
As opposed to the Russian way, where even fewer of the population are represented - one man, one vote, if the one man is Putin...
pTerry Pratchett walt ;)
 

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