Army ‘to be cut by 20,000’ if No 10 plan is approved

So ?

Texas was part of the Spanish Empire until 1830.

And we fought a war against Argentina in the 1980s over their claim to a some cold windy islands which are a LOT closer to Buenos Aires than London.

Once you start undoing the Peace of Westphalia, there's only one way forward and it goes something like:

' What's Yours is Mine - and what's mine is my own '
And yet the Globalists have consistently pushed against the nation state, with the resulting potential to unleash the chaos that they say that they fear.
 
They pale into insignificance when compared withe the number of stables and saddle clubs squatting on MoD land, draining MoD utilities and the glorious black economy misemploying numerous soldiers to pander to the recreation of a selfish, privileged few.
That might have been the case 20 years ago - is that the case now?
 

Euclid

War Hero
MoD clearly needs to bring together a panel of experts drawn from the doyens of Arrse to set defence and security strategy for the next 20 years.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
And yet the Globalists have consistently pushed against the nation state, with the resulting potential to unleash the chaos that they say that they fear.
It’s the eternal battle of not being answerable to any one group of people. Both can co- exist to a point. The real problem is tax and how to levy it. Controlling tax is power. You’ll be surprised how quickly globalists turn to the nation state
 
militaries who hollow out, do not easily regenerate themselves without a working heavy industry, which we don't have anymore.
Q: Where is it now, in that case?
A: Much of it in The People's Republic Of China.​
So either we carry a lot of heft at the outset, or we are reduced to stringing barbed wire along the beach and praying for our allies.
Q: Is The People's Republic Of China one of our allies?
A: You're 'avin' a giraffe, ain'tcha? O' course they fvckin' ain't. Ferzackerly the opposite as it 'appens.​
An' they've got us beat already, an' never a shot fired.​
I may have observed upon this unsatisfactory state of affairs, a little earlier in this thread.
 
Also no. There are other reasons to go to war, and there are other ways of executing it beyond 'raiding'.
no more boots in camps vainly attempting to ‘hold’ ground.
looks bad on 6 O’Clock news
 
And we fought a war against Argentina in the 1980s over their claim to a some cold windy islands which are a LOT closer to Buenos Aires than London.
And strong armed into giving them back, not, by the threat of Heavy Armoured Brigades, but by ships full of rough men with ‘taches and planes arriving off said rocks with ill intent.

exhibit A M’Lud..... the first time British Sovereign territory had been assailed by Jonathan Foreigner Esq since 1940, and the then much larger Army was not the answer.
 
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The economic giant’s lucrative trading relationships with external rivals act as a brake on any serious strategic action, with Germany essentially having no foreign policy to speak of, and the geopolitical needs of the continent as a whole subordinate to the demands of German industry.

In the realm of defence, crucial to any meaningful strategic autonomy, Germany has long shirked its spending responsibilities, allowing its armed forces to atrophy to the point of uselessness. .... An economic giant, Germany is a strategic dwarf whose inability and unwillingness to project hard power gravely diminishes Europe’s ability to shape its own destiny.
Is this article advocating for a more militaristic Germany with a taste for foreign adventures?
Seriously?
 
And in 1920 they said there would be no more wars because we have just had the war to end wars. That went well, didn't it.
hate to break this to you, but Governments don’t like seeing their Armies coming home decidedly non victorious - twice, in the same decade. looks bad, puts them off their egg soldiers.

there's yer problem right there......

Unlike the Army, the RAF and RN keep delivering good news stories to the PMs breakfast table.
 
I'm pleased. Most people forget that that they may have cause the French a lot of Grief-actually we had very little gripe with them other than their desire to be a bit like us. Now let's go and occupy France for a hundred years or so.
We were quite happy for them to give the Frogs a good shoeing every so often. It was part of their desire to be just like us that we approved of. The part of their desire to be like us that we didn't approve of, was to build a 'High Seas' Fleet of modern Dreadnoughts.


When Jackie Fisher introduced HMS Dreadnought to the world in 1906 it made every existing Battleship in the world obslete. Unfortunatly this started off an arms race as every other major country started building them. The rule of thumb prior to 1906 was the RN had to be twice the size of the next biggest Navy, but the Germans were outproducing us, and it was one of the reasons for the outbreak of WW1.
 

NemoIII

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How much to you think you would get for the Otterburn estate then..? Its basically hill farm fit only for sheep.. which we currently rent out! If you were to sell the land, would you care to estimate how much it would cost to demine and render safe...?

... and what are you moaning about the camp for? Why are you there? It's a training area.. you should be out there shivering in a hole in the ground!
Absolutely nothing wrong with otterburn, instead of maintaining random chunks of training area, modernised training areas that may be more of use.
And what flashes of insight about Kirkudbright are you basing your assessment on? You are aware that 80% of the training area consists of a chunk of the Atlantic/Irish Sea? And again, how much do you think we would get for a bunch of gorse and sea cliffs in that part of the world?
How many range wardens are employed there? How much does the camp cost to run?

Imagine if we took that cost and moved it to Otterburn? I bet there's loads of training areas that add very little value aswell.
 

HE117

LE
Absolutely nothing wrong with otterburn, instead of maintaining random chunks of training area, modernised training areas that may be more of use.


How many range wardens are employed there? How much does the camp cost to run?

Imagine if we took that cost and moved it to Otterburn? I bet there's loads of training areas that add very little value aswell.
... shakes head and wanders off!
 
exhibit A M’Lud..... the first time British Sovereign territory had been assailed by Jonathan Foreigner Esq since 1940, and the then much larger Army was not the answer.
The much larger Army was also doing other stuff in 1982 - it would be nice if your problems came in ones, but they don't.
 
hate to break this to you, but Governments don’t like seeing their Armies coming home decidedly non victorious - twice, in the same decade. looks bad, puts them off their egg soldiers.

there's yer problem right there......

Unlike the Army, the RAF and RN keep delivering good news stories to the PMs breakfast table.
Rather thought the Navy and Air Force had played their part in these non-victorious wars. Seem to remember them banging on endlessly about how relevant they were at the time.
 
Is this article advocating for a more militaristic Germany with a taste for foreign adventures?
Seriously?
NATO is visibly in decline, and there's the small matter of Russia, under Meerkat dictatorship for the rest of my foreseeable lifespan, being somewhat . . . err . . . troublesome to the east.

I can understand why some Hermans might be feeling a need, roundabout now, for a unilateral capability to 'use a little muscle to get what I need'*
= = = =
* Stonkernote: With thanks to Mr B Taupin.
 
How much to you think you would get for the Otterburn estate
Take Spadeadam, a small island nation (almost 10000 acres) in the middle of the Northern wastelands great ferk-all.. you could probably sell the whole thing for a fiver after you'd dismantled the sensitive stuff, EOD'd the bomb range and done a full COSHH survey...
 

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