Army ‘to be cut by 20,000’ if No 10 plan is approved

Are you sure that was the Army or was it the total defence establishment? Unless I am mistaken the Army was around 160k in the early 90s, so twice the size it is now.
You could be right, I took it from an old article where it stated 305,000 regulars. It could quite well have been across all three services.
 
Probably sooner, if you lot cut your forces the neocons over here will be hard pressed to justify their position in Europe. Your country would be solidifying Trumps points better than he could.
Playing devils advocate. It could be argued that leaving the EU, does changes our strategic focus from a european centric one, to the rest of the world ? and that inevitably we need to adjust our armed forces to one that is even more expeditionary based and away from a heavy role in europe.
 
Playing devils advocate. It could be argued that leaving the EU, does changes our strategic focus from a european centric one, to the rest of the world ? and that inevitably we need to adjust our armed forces to one that is even more expeditionary based and away from a heavy role in europe.
That would be a huge and significant departure from everything that has come out of either the May or Johnson government regarding its commitment to NATO and Europe.
 
Playing devils advocate. It could be argued that leaving the EU, does changes our strategic focus from a european centric one, to the rest of the world ? and that inevitably we need to adjust our armed forces to one that is even more expeditionary based and away from a heavy role in europe.
Then you would have to invest in your navy, and provide more escorts to get anywhere. The RN does not have enough destroyers and frigates to escort a carrier and your amphibs.

The RAF will also need more aircraft, to secure the home island and project force.

The Russians won’t be going away.

The US should stick with the Poles, it still serves American interests to have a significant force in Western Poland. But it is damn annoying to be expected to secure the peace for Western Europe at the expense of our own very real interests in the Pacific.
 
A brilliant comment!

Just to add, St Athan lies idle now and Malcolm Rifkind said that the Front Line First Defence Budget Cuts "These Cuts Are Essential And Justified".

It is hard to believe just how busy St Athan used to be.
>>slight drift<< I've just looked at St Athan's web page. I must have been through some sort of time and space warp as according to that page that's where I done my trade training when I could have sworn it was at at Hereford. The only time I went to Saints was for a driving course and it rained the whole time.>>drift off<<
 
As of 1991 prior to Options For Change the Army was 156,000 l think Mate.

Options For Change was supposed to cut the Army by 40,000, which it did but that was just the beginning.
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So I think the OP was confused between total forces and army...
 
Someone mentioned police figures which provoked the thought ... Currently circa 50% of the police are civilian staff (figures vary) the MoD has been moving that way for a while (Challengers get driven to the ranges by civilian staff) I can imagine a deepening of this trend.

100% of police are civilians.
 
Save money on buying rifles by using wooden silhouettes, we will sign a contract with a manufacturer in China to make 100,000 service rifles at a moments notice.

Instead of using bullets in live firing exersizes, send out a training course in mastering the art of making the noise 'Pew, pew!

Instead of flying a hercules to drop the paras, just spread the paras out in the countryside on a windy day, spin around 5 times and pull the chord and jump as high as you can.
Captain Flack walt.
 
let Germany and its surrounding countries deal with it
Well the current German Defence Establishment seems to have worse organisational and Internal political issues than it's predecessor...

 
Nuclear weapons are not a panacea for land warfare. The current example is India-Pakistan and now India-China where possession of instant sunshine by both sides, has enabled a continuous low level, but slowly escalating engagement, where both sides are careful not to stumble through the nuclear tripwire. Sort of a warm war if you like..

Suppose Vlad starts something like that.. harassing shipping, the odd plane shot down "accidentally", Border incursions and firefights in NATO territory that were due to "navigational errors during an internal security operation" Cyber attacks on ground environment and communications assets...fiddling with the gas taps.

It's been pretty clear that most NATO members aren't flashing the required amount of cash nor putting up forces with the required skills and capability to deter such events. It can't just be the US who put in under such circumstances because sooner or later they'll tell us to **** off...

India -Pakistan and India and India-China share a common land border

We don't share a land border with any likely miscreants.


Suppose Vlad starts something like that.. harassing shipping, the odd plane shot down "accidentally", Border incursions and firefights in NATO territory that were due to "navigational errors during an internal security operation" Cyber attacks on ground environment and communications assets...fiddling with the gas taps..
Which is exactly why the money spent one we'll never use them capabilities is to be spent on Cyber etc.
 

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Big Army? We had over 300,000 in 1990.

Why do you think the fact that we're an island is relevant? The Army does a lot more than just home defence.
Are you including ACF and CCF to get to those numbers? At the time I thought we were under half that, and had enough problems getting the numbers for the guard roster with what remained.

You might recall that we went to GW1 in 1991 and had a bit of a problem scraping together two brigades and had to cannibalise everything from the rest of the army to do that!
 
Instead of using bullets in live firing exersizes, send out a training course in mastering the art of making the noise 'Pew, pew!
I remember seeing in the mid 70's an instructors pamphlet for training on the LMG... contained the phrase "if insufficient training ammunition is available the action of the gun can be simulated by shaking some stones in a metal tin..."

Trying to find a copy online and failing....
 
Let's see what really happens and start grumbling 0.01 seconds later.
I am of the opinion that we really do need to examine what our foreign policy should be and the mil capability to back that. I'm not sure we should resource for BAOR MK2 but rather FiFuFo. ( Fly in, F###up, F###off. ). Less geld and bodybags.
 
Playing devils advocate. It could be argued that leaving the EU, does changes our strategic focus from a european centric one, to the rest of the world ? and that inevitably we need to adjust our armed forces to one that is even more expeditionary based and away from a heavy role in europe.

No more vanity wars with boots on the ground - two defeats in a generation is enough.

The future is strategic raiding - ultra violence delivered by rough men in smash and grab raids from the sea - backed up by the RAF's wizzy jets.
 
We don't share a land border with any likely miscreants.
No we just belong to a defensive military alliance with a 1,215 kilometre border with Russia, a strategic sea area from UK to Greenland via Iceland that is subject to surface unit and submarine infiltration, and an airspace perimeter from the Black Sea through the Baltic past North Cape and round to Reykjavik....

That's before we get round to our other interests and obligations..
 
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