Army ‘to be cut by 20,000’ if No 10 plan is approved

in your own time, list the size and capabilities the Army would need to be to fight and prevail against a low end peer like Russia in the Baltics.
hint, It’s heavy armour and artillery are currently effectively non existent capabilities.
In your own time - explain why we
1) Would be going it alone
2) Wouldnt have invested in regenerating capabilities (apart from the fact people like yourself are determined to gut the force because they follow this weeks big fashionable opinion and berate anyone that doesnt)

3) Since neither the RN or RAF could take on China alone why aren't you calling for them to be just a chase down pirates force. Funny that although you do of course slate them for buying shit equipment even when its the same equipment youve previously advocated.
 
ST has recent history of writing such bollocks that No 10 releases a statement on Sunday

ST is as anti-Boris as it is anti Farage & Trump. Establishment don't want any rebelliousness - Boris 'rebelled' with Brexit, yet on everything else he's a lick-spittle Blairite
He didn’t ‘rebel’, he saw a plump opportunity to become PM.
 
IMO we also need to do something about the voluntary reserves by training them properly, giving the right cash incentives and legal protections while having enough of them to actually be usefull
How are you defining ‘properly’? We’re regularly mobilise guys with our regular paired regiment, with minimal if any remedial training. We share a common platform, weapons and tactics. Almost all return with glowing reports from their regular CoC, and having picked up useful skills which they can filter down to their peers.
 
Am I missing something? What does the BBC have to do with this bit of cheap journalism published in the Sunday Times?
It's the same lefty echo chamber bubble writing this pish - with their Anti British, Anti white, Anti Democracy, bias reporting (more like opinion pieces rather than news)...one would think the shit they report all comes from the same people with the same agenda.
They are basically now just communists - however they will cease to exist soon enough, once people stop paying the licence when that gets decriminalised, and they need to go subscription based - then only the gay brigade and lefties will buy into their crap. The rest of us will be happy to see it gone the way of the dodo.
 
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In your own time - explain why we
1) Would be going it alone
2) Wouldnt have invested in regenerating capabilities (apart from the fact people like yourself are determined to gut the force because they follow this weeks big fashionable opinion and berate anyone that doesnt)

3) Since neither the RN or RAF could take on China alone why aren't you calling for them to be just a chase down pirates force. Funny that although you do of course slate them for buying shit equipment even when its the same equipment youve previously advocated.
so it’s default to standard army argument ad absurdum - We need a big army because!


38 years after the end of the Cold War, the Army still hasn’t come up with a single coherent reason why we need a ‘big’ Army despite such a thing being an historical anomoly for an island.

Top hint: that’s why we need a significant Navy and Air Force - an island with overseas interests and overseas lines of trade communication.
 
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38 years after the end of the Cold War, the Army still hasn’t come up with a single coherent reason why we need a ‘big’ Army despite such a thing being an historical anomoly for an island.

Despite being an island, we found it necessary to have a big army (or be able to rapidly generate one) for land operations as early as 1704. That is when we started taking the lead in coalition forces in order to protect and further our interests. Exerting sea power simply wasn't enough to finish the job in most wars.

As an island, we've had - or did have - considerable deployable land forces for c.300 years. Its hardly a historical anomoly.
 
I think Boris is a proper old-fashioned Tory (despite his rhetoric to the Unionist cause), in as much he has a principle in his marrow.
I hadn't appreciated that marrows, or for that matter any other vegetable, had principles.

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But Boris approved Boris Force One £900k to paint the RAF VIP Plane a nice colour?
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A waste of money or a good idea to promote UK Plc
 

lecky

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I heard the contrary** - that pay was shite because It was full of "left the RAF but not quite" types and so the wages were topped up by the pension. Wasnt a place I recall connies queing up for

**Of course it could be Pay was shite for the ex crab permies but connies had a fair whack and time has dulled my memmory.

In which case paying decent wages may have saved a large connie bill by filling permy slots
The pay was shite. Though when you were on a Service Pension and you could pick up an ex-miners cottage, a few miles up the Valleys for pennies, your disposable income was probably more than any equivalent Non-Contractor anywhere in the UK. Then again, what happened to third line servicing at St Athan is a case study for what can go wrong, when the focus is entirely on saving money:
At first all work was done by the RAF guys. Then British Aerospace boys started arriving as Contractors, when the F3 Modifications were put out to tender and the RAF weren't even allowed to bid.
Then Airworks undercut B Aerospace and won the contract. They offered the B Aero boys peanuts.
The now ex British Aerospace Contractors left on mass, leaving Airworks sans tools and know how. Subsequently 4 x F3's got damaged by monkeys with cold chisels and Airframes were bent by trestles being removed when the shouldn't have.
Malcom Rifkind MP and Rhodri Morgan Mp had a bit of an exchange about it at the time.:
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After Rairkows F up, the staff were a Mix of RAF and MOD civilians (Ex RAF) only.
Then third line servicing got removed from the RAF right across the board and with it went the Engineering know how and the opportunity to pass down that evolving know how, to young Men and Women. Skills that can then feed into industry.
When the government shaves another bit off of Defence, they reduce the capability to respond and within a decade, they'll loose the empirical knowledge and know how of the staff who knew how to do it. Once it's gone, it's going to stay gone for some while.
 
Despite being an island, we found it necessary to have a big army (or be able to rapidly generate one) for land operations as early as 1704. That is when we started taking the lead in coalition forces in order to protect and further our interests. Exerting sea power simply wasn't enough to finish the job in most wars.

As an island, we've had - or did have - considerable deployable land forces for c.300 years. Its hardly a historical anomoly.

I seem to recall, that in 1704, Her Majesties Ayre Fforce wasn't able to reach out and touch her enemies with a salvo of cruise missiles.

And the Navy?
Trident - when you absolutely, positively need to kill every mofo that wants to invade you - Accept no subtitutes
 
Grac knows that very well without doing any research into this specific claim.

Hes just being contrary and looking for bites

Incidentally you took hook line sinker and copy of angling times
Bollocks he's too retarded and Bias to do any research, he just sits around all day in his lefty bubble - drinking soy latte, and grooming his green man bun, while thinking up new ways to complain about Brexit and British white people. Let's face it - he's a retard and a commie. He sits all day watching the commie BBC & Sky news - then comes on here to spoffle his shit, then wanks off to all the negative comments he gets - most normal people spoof one out to porn, ARRSE is gracs porn alternative.

 
so it’s default to standard army argument ad absurdum - We need a big army because!


38 years after the end of the Cold War, the Army still hasn’t come up with a single coherent reason why we need a ‘big’ Army despite such a thing being an historical anomoly for an island.

Top hint: that’s why we need a significant Navy and Air Force - an island with overseas interests and overseas lines of trade communication.
Except nobody has argued for a big army - thats YOUR strawman - everyone else is arguing it needs to retain the ability to fight real wars of discretion and have the ability to regenerate to fight a war of national survival - its YOU and YOU alone who is translating - retain key skills as regenerate BAOR - simply because you cant actually argue a sensible point because it hasn't been discussed either at the coffee machine or on Quora.

Furthermore YOU are the individual playing argument absurdum with " if it cant take on Russia alone its useless" which is either a call to scrap or massively enlarge, at the same time you get all teary eyed and bleaty if somebody applies the same lack of logic to the other services in an effort to point out the flaws in your argument you remain blind to.

As for Islands and no need for an Army - the Japanese army seems rather significant which suggests that Im not alone in thinking a credible ground force is needed.

I wouldn't mind but my suggestion far from playing fantasy fleets would have built a force around what equipment is currently in use or planned and been a significantly smaller army than it is now - rather at odds with your claims everyones wanting a huge army. But when have you ever let facts interrupt your diatrabes.
 

Dr Death

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Perhaps you could ask of Her Maj as it also acts as her personal Chariot of the Skies
She deserves it, Boris does not.
 

omegahunter

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I would have thought that in the perilous times in which we live, we'd be looking to increase our armed forces strength, rather than reduce it. Maybe top of the line military kit has simply become to expensive for anyone but the Yanks & Chinese (Russians?) to maintain, and actually have a force large enough to work with too.
 
But Boris approved Boris Force One £900k to paint the RAF VIP Plane a nice colour?
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A waste of money or a good idea to promote UK Plc
1) The cost includes aircraft servicing
2) The aircraft need repainting periodically
3) And this is the bit carefully ignored by the evil Boris / Tories - its likely that paint scheme is cheaper - as its widely available commercial paint vs specialist low viz colours and possibly other properties found in military paint.

4) The aircraft was already out of the general pool when Cameron had the secure comms fit added at which point it became a dedicated VIP / UK based refueller as such the faux outrage - that its no longer fit for military use and Boris has stolen a warplane is just that faux.

5) It isnt Boris private jet no matter how much the Guardian and the any thing Boris does must be bad because he supports Brexit crowd claim it is
 

Dr Death

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1) The cost includes aircraft servicing
2) The aircraft need repainting periodically
3) And this is the bit carefully ignored by the evil Boris / Tories - its likely that paint scheme is cheaper - as its widely available commercial paint vs specialist low viz colours and possibly other properties found in military paint.

4) The aircraft was already out of the general pool when Cameron had the secure comms fit added at which point it became a dedicated VIP / UK based refueller as such the faux outrage - that its no longer fit for military use and Boris has stolen a warplane is just that faux.

5) It isnt Boris private jet no matter how much the Guardian and the any thing Boris does must be bad because he supports Brexit crowd claim it is
Oh, yes I see, are you doing PR for Boris now? o_O
 
so it’s default to standard army argument ad absurdum - We need a big army because!


38 years after the end of the Cold War, the Army still hasn’t come up with a single coherent reason why we need a ‘big’ Army despite such a thing being an historical anomoly for an island.

Top hint: that’s why we need a significant Navy and Air Force - an island with overseas interests and overseas lines of trade communication.
Big Army? We had over 300,000 in 1990.

Why do you think the fact that we're an island is relevant? The Army does a lot more than just home defence.
 
Except nobody has argued for a big army - thats YOUR strawman - everyone else is arguing it needs to retain the ability to fight real wars of discretion and have the ability to regenerate to fight a war of national survival - its YOU and YOU alone who is translating - retain key skills as regenerate BAOR - simply because you cant actually argue a sensible point because it hasn't been discussed either at the coffee machine or on Quora.

Hello! Nuclear weapons! We are not going to be invaded or fighting wars of national survivals Mano y Mano.

Furthermore YOU are the individual playing argument absurdum with " if it cant take on Russia alone its useless" which is either a call to scrap or massively enlarge, at the same time you get all teary eyed and bleaty if somebody applies the same lack of logic to the other services in an effort to point out the flaws in your argument you remain blind to.
The ONLY peers why might be included to fight are Russia, and China.
Both would kick our arses, both would kick NATO's collective arse, in a land war.

Hate to break this to you, but even the Americans with a much bigger army, see no viable use for boots on the ground in a punch up with China.


As for Islands and no need for an Army - the Japanese army seems rather significant which suggests that Im not alone in thinking a credible ground force is needed.
And Japan has how many Ballistic Missile Submarines again?

I wouldn't mind but my suggestion far from playing fantasy fleets would have built a force around what equipment is currently in use or planned and been a significantly smaller army than it is now - rather at odds with your claims everyones wanting a huge army. But when have you ever let facts interrupt your diatrabes.
The Army hasn't got a clue, not a Scooby. Its still fantasising about fighting armoured hordes on the European plains, and swanning around the Sahel fighting some as yet undefined threat with some as yet no n existent 'Strike Brigade'. It hasn't got an idea what it is, or what it needs to be in a post Cold War World - So, the Politicians will do their thinking for the intellectually lazy GeneraLS
 
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