Armoured Fighting Vehicles

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    DOT Old-Salt SME

    On 4 September, a written question was requested regarding Armoured Fighting vehicles. We include the question and response below. We thought this information might be of interest.
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    Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) if he will estimate the value of the (a) Challenger, (b) Warrior, (c) Bulldog, (d) Stormer, (e) Snatch 2 Land Rover, (f) RWMIK Land Rover, (g) Vector, (h) Viking BVS10, (i) Mastiff, (j) Panther, (k) Foxhound, (l) Husky, (m) Warthog, (n) Wolfhound, (o) Scimitar, (p) Spartan, (q) Jackal and (r) Coyote vehicle fleets; and how large each such fleet is; [166576]


    (2) if he will estimate the value of the (a) Land Rover battlefield ambulance, (b) M3, (c) Titan armoured bridge launcher, (d) Challenger armoured repair and recovery vehicle, (e) BR90 bridge vehicle, (f) Terrier, (g) Trojan, (h) Python, (i) heavy equipment transporter, (j) Demountable rack offload and pickup system and (k) all-terrain mobility platform vehicle fleets; and how large each such fleet is. [166577]


    Mr Dunne: The current value of each equipment fleet is shown in the table. The values reflect the Net Book Value (NBV) of the fleet; they do not include future deliveries or assets in the course of construction, or associated munition costs. NBV is calculated by adding the cost of any historic major upgrades to the original capital cost of each asset and deducting depreciation to reflect the decrease in value of an asset over time.


    The values quoted bear no relation to the replacement costs of the assets and capabilities, nor can they be used to calculate an accurate NBV per piece of equipment. NBVs have not been provided for the Foxhound and Terrier fleets, which are still being delivered, as the release of these figures would provide the means to calculate the Unit Purchase Costs. I am withholding this information as its disclosure would prejudice commercial interests.

    [TABLE="width: 500"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Equipment type[/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Fleet Size[/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Total NBV (to nearest £ million)[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Challenger 2 MBT
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]227
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]336
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Warrior
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]781
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]339
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Bulldog
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]895
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]27
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Stormer
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]62
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]67
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Snatch 2 Land Rover
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]364
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]8
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]RWMIK Land Rover
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]371
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]21
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Vector
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]153
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]29
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Viking
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]99
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]72
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Mastiff
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]442
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]253
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Panther
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]401
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]99
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Foxhound
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]292
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]—
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Husky
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]327
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]29
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Warthog
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]115
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]122
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Wolfhound
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]126
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]118
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Scimitar
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]201
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]20
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Spartan
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]276
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]12
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Jackal
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]425
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]51
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Coyote
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]71
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]12
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Battlefield Amb
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]116
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]0.09
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]M3
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]38
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]8
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Titan
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]33
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]103
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]CRARRV
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]75
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]43
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]BR90
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]139
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]19
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Terrier
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]23
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]—
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Trojan
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]33
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]106
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]Python (trailer)
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]53
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"](1)—
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]HET
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]91
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"](2)—
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]DROPS
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]1,217
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]19
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"]ATMP
    [/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"][/TD]
    [TD="class: tabletext, colspan: 1"][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    (1) Information not held.
    (2) £0—provided under Private Finance Initiative.​
     
  2. Why so many Bulldog--that's a Mastiff version right?
     
  3. No it isn't.
     
  4. The written question couldn't have been just about armoured vehicles as not all the vehicles mentioned are armoured, bit of a clue is the BFA.

    The cost of a vehicle used to be in the equipment specific AESP so why didn't Angus Robertson just ask the MoD for the numbers of specific equipments then do the sums himself?

    I'd be interested to know the reason for his question; I wonder if he's working on a claim for a lump sum settlement instead of a proportionate share of UK military Land equipment assets should the referendum on Independence go the SNP's way?
     
  5. Panther NBV £0 Worst piece of Junk we have ever been sold alongside RB44.
    Vector NBV £0 Another Tupperware white elephant that was withdrawn very quickly.
     
  6. Bulldog is upgraded FV432



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  7. That they were trying to sell along with Snatch at the AAD in Cape Town in 2011, one assumes there were no takers!
     
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  9. An aircon system that barely works and makes the vehicle underpowered when switched on, steering yokes instead of sticks and...different engine? With the extra armour of course and RWS mounts. Bit rubbish really.
     
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  10. IIRC, Bulldog uses the same engine as the Ley Daf 4T.
     
  11. Do we not have Samaritan any more?
     
  12. Samaritan is from the CVR(T) series, the BFA or Battlefield Ambulance is a Landrover (HS) derivative.
     
  13. Right, thanks for that
    -never served (yet) no mark civvy
     
  14. Interesting read, thanks.
     
  15. Was that a dig or were you just letting us know your status because if it's a dig I think you'll find I've probably done more time than you?