Armoured cars.

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  1. Although I am not old enough to remember a time when we still had Armoured cars in service, they have always fascinated me. There would appear to be an AC shaped gap in our capabilities. What do others think? am I talking out of my a*rse? (it has been known :oops: :wink: ) or are they a viable option in C21?
  2. The Future Rapid Effects System (FRES) will fill the void you astutely mention.

    The FRES goal:

    This is going to be a model of smart procurement. :twisted:

    Note that the fleet of vehicles wil comprise both wheel and tracked kit - commensurate with the re-balancing of our forces from light/heavy to light/medium/heavy.
  3. Oh God, why am I seeing a re-run of the SA80 debacle, some dodgy converted skip, that will take fifteen years of tweaking to put right. :roll:
  4. I used to love running around Northern Germany in my Ferret in the summer. In the rain snow and wind on the other hand they were a real pain in the arrse. They had zero room for personal kit and the crew seemed to be an 'optional extra' in the design stage.

    That's why, any recce NCO/officer would only get in one if on an FTX and had no other choice. At every other option they would replace the Ferret with a Landrover or if the rules of that exercise stated that it had to be there would follow in a Landrover. This had the effect of doubling the manpower needed and taking a Rover away from some other c/s which, with the army the way it is today, wouldn't be possible.

    As for your last question, yes there is a gap for a small, light, fast armoured vehicle with a small crew to get forward quickly and recce. The job that would today be done by a CVR(T) which since the change to diesel are just too noisey, a Chally which is just too big or a Rover which isn't armoured.

    Just my opinion you understand.
  5. Exactly, which is why I'm thinking of a wheeled vehicle (cheaper, faster and more reliable than tracks) small and light enough to put inside a C130, or sling under a Chinook, but with decent offensive armament (70mm?) The South Africans have something like this, I cant remember the name, but it appears to be a good piece of kit.
  6. Despite any other drawbacks they may have as outlined by Plant-Pilot, Ferrets are also brilliant for writing Police Discoveries! :twisted:

    Happened on a cadet camp once where the guys were showing us it can go just as fast backwards and forwards and got complacent about there never being anything behind them all day, so reversed into said Discovery at about 40mph, leaving a mangled wreck, two shaken up bobbies and one small dent on the light cover for the number plate!

    Back on topic, I heard a vicious rumour that there was going to be a FRES variant that would eventually take over from the CR2.
  7. Reminds me of the time I was down south (Germany) on exercise with the SPAMS and we were on one of the huge tank parks, showing the SPAMs what the Ferret could do, as they were interested and had no equivalent vehicle type. We were doing about 40 MPH in reverse (no mirrors!) and the sprog up top, his first time in a Ferret was doing his Rommel impression, telling me how much of the park was left. As we neared the end, I told him that we'd try and do an impressive turn at the end and to guide me round in a circle to head back the way I could see. As he was facing backwards it went something like... "Okay, right..... no right.... RIGHT... RIGHT!!! SH1T LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!!!"

    The manouver seemed to impress the SPAMs, shock the Brits and traumatize the would be Ferrret commander...... It didn't scare me as I couldn't see where I was going. :D
  8. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    I loved my CVRW the only one that ran all day without a full LAD support. Reputedly clocked on the run to warcop at over 90 mph
    Not quite armoured, not quite car, not quite 70+mm but as the only panzer like vehicles in the North West good for a cruise on the Prom at Blackpool. Providing they didnt break down!!!!!
  9. In a presentation 'the future of the armoured corps' there was a vehicle highlighted in a video, made by Sweden or Norway or one of those sort of countries. This vehicle could follow numerous roles, AA, vehicle recovery, and even have a turret mounted on it to become a tank.

    It also featured a rather dodgy computer controlled anti projectile system, a bit like CIWS for a Tank.

    The point of the presentation was that we were looking to create a vehicle like this but very different.

    This I assume would also include a varient for CVRT.

    I'm sure Calypso could tell us more about that though and probably identify the vehicle in said video.
  10. What you're saying is:
    Yep, probably could...let me peruse my videos for a bit... :D
  11. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    That'll be the Rooikat, (Lynx,) a damn good toy !
    It was upgunned a few years back to 105mm which turned it into a rapid little tank-killer.

    All SADF AFV's with the exception if the Olifant MBT were wheeled, makes much more sense.

    I'll try to find some up to date bumf
  12. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    The Rooikat 76 Armoured Fighting Vehicle, with a 76mm gun, was developed by Reemit for the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) and has been in operational use with the SANDF since 1980. 240 vehicles were built. In 1990 an upgrade and redesign programme was started by Reumech OMC to customise the Rooikat for the international market, and by 1994 the development of the Rooikat 105 variant with a 105mm rifled gun was completed.

    Reumech later became Vickers OMC and in September 2002 was renamed Alvis OMC, following the acquisition of Vickers Defence by Alvis plc. Alvis OMC is now part of BAE Systems Land Systems.

    The Rooikat 105 is designed for high mobility day and night combat operations. Passive image intensifiers and thermal imaging equipment for night driving, navigation and weapon deployment permit round-the-clock combat operations.

    The main role of the Rooikat 105 is combat reconnaissance with seek and destroy missions. The Rooikat has the fire power and survivability to engage in battle against selected targets. The secondary role of the Rooikat 105 is in combat support operations. In anti-armour operations the Rooikat performs a valuable role in protection against enemy armoured threats.

    The Rooikat carries a crew of four: commander, gunner, ammunition loader and driver.


    The Rooikat 105 is equipped with a GT7 105mm anti-tank gun. The gun fires the full range of NATO full pressure 105mm ammunition including Generation I, II and III rounds. The gun, fitted with a 51 calibre thermal sleeve encased barrel, fires 6 rounds per minute.

    There are two 7.62mm machine guns, one co-axial to the main armament and one at the commander's position, for general purpose ground and air defence.


    The vehicle is equipped with two banks of 81mm smoke grenade launchers, mounted in a forward firing position on each side of the turret. The system is electrically operated. The smoke grenades form a dense protective smoke screen, which can be sustained using an exhaust smoke generator.

    The Rooikat can withstand the blast of a TM46 anti-tank mine and provide full protection to the four-man crew. Ballistic protection against 24mm ammunition is provided over the frontal arc. The Rooikat eight wheel configuration allows the vehicle to maintain mobility even after the loss of any wheel caused for example by a land mine detonation. Also the vehicle is equipped with run-flat inserts which allow mobility after the loss of pressure in all eight wheels. Collective overpressure and air filter systems protect the crew against chemical and biological attack. An automatic fire explosion suppression system is available.


    The digital fire control system takes data from a suite of sensors and provides an automatic fire control solution. Automatic data input includes target range from a laser rangefinder, target speed and direction derived from tracking the target, crosswind speed, weapon tilt and the characteristics of the weapon. Manual data input includes ammunition type and environmental data. The fire control system allows the Rooikat to engage enemy targets while on the move across rough terrain. The time between laser ranging the target and firing is approximately two seconds.

    Three variations of fire directing systems are offered. The most complex system incorporates a primary stabilised gunner's sight, automatic computation and implementation of ballistic offset of the weapon, electro-mechanical gun control, stabilised main weapon, gunner's sight with day/night channel slaved to the main weapon and an independent panoramic commander's sight.


    The Rooikat 105 is designed for high mobility combat operations. It can travel 1,000km under its own power and be battle-ready within 24 hours of departure from the home base. The maximum road speed is 120km/h and the average cross country speed is 50km/h. The Rooikat accelerates from 0 to 30km/h in less than eight seconds.

    The suspension system on the Rooikat includes internally driven trailing arms, coil springs and shock absorbers.
  13. What about "WIESEL"
  14. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    Crossing a 2metre ditch.
    Rooikat 76.
    Top road speed od 120 kph.
    GT7 105 mm - 51 cal tube. 6 rds/min.
    Turret interior.
    Rooikat 105.
    Here are some picture links, I'm still a web-mong so don't know how to get the pics up. Will someone please tell me how ?

    Edited: HA ! Just worked it out on my jack ! 8) Fuffed as Chuck !
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  15. how about buying the stryker off the americans save having to do the r&d and might prevent them shooting the crap out of them as they know what they look like :lol: