Armed US Police/British Troops to patrol 2012 Olympics

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The Telegraph said:
Armed US police could be on London streets
By Brendan Carlin and John Steele
Last Updated: 10:01am GMT 06/02/2007


Armed foreign police could patrol the streets of London during the 2012 Olympics under an unprecedented scenario outlined by one of Scotland Yard’s most senior officers.

Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur, the man in charge of security preparations for the Games and Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer, also raised the prospect of British troops being drafted in to help with the huge security challenges.

Security experts are privately debating how to protect the Olympics from terror attacks from Islamic extremist “jihadi” terrorists in London, especially in the wake of the 7/7 terrorist atrocities in London in which four British-born jihadi suicide bombers killed 52 people.

US and Israeli athletes would be among the principal potential terrorist targets, raising questions over whether the FBI and Israeli police would be allowed to operate in London.

Mr Ghaffur’s comments come amid predictions from the Conservatives that the security bill for the giant 2012 event could be as much as £1bn.

But last night, the possibility of using both armed foreign police and British forces appeared to catch the Department of Culture, Media and Sport by surprise last night. A DCMS spokesman declined to comment.

But the Tories reacted with fury to any suggestion of using UK troops or police officers from another country.

Hugh Robertson, the party’s Olympics spokesman, told The Daily Telegraph: “In my view, this is a job for the British police and solely for the British police.”

Mr Robertson, who served with the Life Guards in Northern Ireland, the Gulf and Bosnia, also ridiculed the idea that after Labour’s “infantry cutbacks”, there were any spare British troops in any case.

Tessa Jowell, the Culture, Media and Sport Secretary, has already admitted that in the light of the 7/7 terrorist attacks, the £190 million budget for Olympics security was “inadequate”.

Mr Robertson said yesterday: “Every security expert I have spoken to has said that the final bill will be closer to £1 billion.”

At the weekend, government sources indicated that the final security bill and by implication, the full security arrangements, would probably not be known for years.

But in an interview today with the Parliamentary Monitor, Mr Ghaffur raised the precedent of British police officers serving in Germany during the 2006 World Cup as one way of coping with the huge security challenge.

The Scotland Yard officer, who has a reputation for speaking his mind, said: “We may have to change some constitutional positions, like, do we bring in some foreign police officers to work here like they did in Germany.

“Do we have armed officers accepted from other countries?”

Mr Ghaffur added: “In Germany, use of foreign officers to actually control and provide tactical or cultural advice to local police was very successful.

“I don’t think we should shy away from that. In a global environment, a capital city, international policing is a global family.”

He stressed that there need to be a “public discussion” about using armed police from abroad, before suggesting that Britain’s own Armed Forces might also have a role to play.

“To ensure we manage all contingencies, frankly, then the role, the support that the military and others can give us have to be considered as part of the planning,” he said.

Mr Ghaffur indicated, though, that the military’s contribution would be in the background – not visibly on the streets.

“What I am reasonably sure of is that I am not looking for the military visibly at the moment. I am not looking for them visibly complementing our effort – it may be slightly different in China,” he added, in a reference to the 2008 Beijing Games.

But he stressed the need for public approval, saying: “The starting point is always we police with the consent and co-operation of the community.”

Last night, Scotland Yard insisted that Mr Ghaffur was merely raising the issue of foreign policing for debate. The issues, particularly using armed officers, were “very much up in the air” and ultimately a political decision, a spokesman said.

The use of unarmed English officers in Germany for the World Cup, to re-assure law-abiding fans and spot trouble-makers, was regarded as a success.

However, police sources predicted that allowing gun-carrying officers into London from nations where all officers are armed could raise significant legal issues.

The use of firearms in the UK is ruled by the legal principle of “reasonable force.” Any outside officers would have to apply by British law.

The Olympic Delivery Authority will today formally submit planning applications for the giant Olympic Park at Stratford, east London.
 

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#2
I did not think that normal members of the armed forces were allowed to work with loaded weapons in public.
 
#4
This scenario is hardly NI and the main gate is mod property.... dullard!
 
#5
my point is soldiers all ready have a proven track record of carrying arms in public, have they not recently been seen at heathrow? I'm not trying to pick an argument with anyone, anyway IF it ever happened I'd expect them to be heavily shepherded by a copper.
 
#6
Im not sure Id want gun toting Yank Cops in the UK, their rules of engegment are wildly different from ours!!

As for UK armed forces, well, its been done plenty of other times, ie Heathrow etc
 
#7
Uk Mil can and does conduct overt armed patrols if requested by Home Office and approved by Armed Forces Minister. It happens quite regularly at Heathrow when the threat state goes up.
 
#8
That you are right of, in the eighties and nineties British troops deployed to protect airheads in mainland Britain. Always with a constable in reach...

IMHO, you will see armed police a lot more then you do now. Troops will be on standby although not on the streets as it is the olympic games and not the para military games.

London has an ideal military infra-structure to house troops (maybe not then anymore) and woolwich is just down the road, hounslow, HGP etc...
 
#9
Short fuse.... the met police chief constable has to give his ok for troops to be on any of Greater Londons streets when armed...!
 
#10
What is so special that US Forces have to be involved? What would we do if - say - Israeli DF wanted to be represented? Given today's Sun, I'd rather have guide dogs on patrol.
 
#11
We are more than capable of policing the games with UK assets only. There should be no need for foreign agencies, unless of course foreign agencies want to be involved and someone hasn't got the backbone to tell them where to go.
 
#12
I visualise a scenario as follows> a year before the olympics.
USA "we want our own security for our guys and we won't turn up if you refuse"
UK "think we had better agree as we want them to be a sucess and we have already hocked the country into long term dept to pay for this two week sportsfest"

cynical? moi?
 
#13
I have no problem with foreign police on the UK's streets. It's happened before for international events and, as the article said UK police have deployed overseas. However, IMHO, they should be in liason / crowd control roles and have no formal powers of arrest ie be paired up with a UK bobby and certainly they should not be armed.

As to troops on the ground, isn't that what the CCRF (or whatever it's called now) is for? The TA will doubtless be mobilised to provide bodies to man checkpoints traffic control etc. I can't see armed military on the streets though - it would frighten away the tourists, which is the whole point of having the games in the first place.

PB
 
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PassingBells said:
I have no problem with foreign police on the UK's streets. It's happened before for international events and, as the article said UK police have deployed overseas. However, IMHO, they should be in liason / crowd control roles and have no formal powers of arrest ie be paired up with a UK bobby and certainly they should not be armed.

As to troops on the ground, isn't that what the CCRF (or whatever it's called now) is for? The TA will doubtless be mobilised to provide bodies to man checkpoints traffic control etc. I can't see armed military on the streets though - it would frighten away the tourists, which is the whole point of having the games in the first place.

PB
I wouldn't bet on this or any significant mil involvement. If it is a low level security task, not likely to involve the use of armed force, then why use the Amed Forces, and not a low level security organisation, public or private? The Army is neither configured, funded nor specfically trained for this sort of work and, whilst things like FRESCO still occur in extremis, there would need to be a good case to use troops, Reg or TA, for effectively civilian work (thereby depriving the private sector of possible income).
 
#15
There will without doubt be foriegn police officers here for the Olympic games. However I am sure that it would be more in the liason role the same as when our Football liason officers go to tournaments abroad. It is purely on an intelligence basis rather than getting "stuck in ".
 
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manchestercop said:
We are more than capable of policing the games with UK assets only. There should be no need for foreign agencies, unless of course foreign agencies want to be involved and someone hasn't got the backbone to tell them where to go.
And of course there will be all that overtime :)
 
#17
manchestercop said:
We are more than capable of policing the games with UK assets only. There should be no need for foreign agencies, unless of course foreign agencies want to be involved and someone hasn't got the backbone to tell them where to go.
Think of the overtime!!! It could be the miners strike II.

Mortgages paid, holidays booked. Come on the olympics!!

hehe.

Seriously though I'd rather have a british bobby on british streets.
 
#18
PassingBells said:
I have no problem with foreign police on the UK's streets. It's happened before for international events and, as the article said UK police have deployed overseas. However, IMHO, they should be in liason / crowd control roles and have no formal powers of arrest ie be paired up with a UK bobby and certainly they should not be armed.

As to troops on the ground, isn't that what the CCRF (or whatever it's called now) is for? The TA will doubtless be mobilised to provide bodies to man checkpoints traffic control etc. I can't see armed military on the streets though - it would frighten away the tourists, which is the whole point of having the games in the first place.

PB
DRT now - if there is a major disaster in London they will be called up. The responsibility for policing the Olympics will be with the met surely? and the security is for the Olympic authority to deal with. I can't imagine for one minute the TA will be used - that is not their role at all in peacetime.
 
#19
Are there enough spare monkeys to take on such a job helping Met Pol??? They are the closest thing the army has to coppers and they can very quickly and easily become armed police should the threat state go up.
 
#20
manchestercop said:
We are more than capable of policing the games with UK assets only. There should be no need for foreign agencies, unless of course foreign agencies want to be involved and someone hasn't got the backbone to tell them where to go.
The Yanks have ever insisted on having their law enforcement in 'theatre'. Within six hours of Lockerbie the FBI and CIA were all over the place - and it would take an hours airtime to fly them up to Scotland. It would be logical to conclude that there are considerable US 'assets' already in country
 

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