Armed Forces need deep change to beat terrorism

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Yup
The money is better spent ensuring Labour voters do not have to work and making sure our EU contributions are high enough to buy Teflon Tony the Presidency.
 
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“We have to be prepared to consider deep and wide-ranging changes to our Armed Forces,” Mr Rammell said.

“We will need to rebalance our investment in technology, equipment and people to meet the challenge of irregular warfare over the next decade while still retaining our ability to respond to emerging state-led threats and other military challenges.”

For changes read cuts... and funnily enough the rest of the quote still makes sense.

Cynical, moi?
 
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Having seen many Armed Forces Reviews in my time I can predict with depressing accuracy the outcome of Labour's next review. It will:-

1. Reduce the amount of money in the Defence Budget.

2. Protect workers' jobs in key Labour constituencies by continuing Defence contracts not necessarily required.

3. Announce that the Armed Forces will be meaner, leaner and much more effective than before.

4. Protect the jobs of or even increase the numbers of the 100,000 Civil Servants in the MOD - many of whom are a waste of rations.

5. Severely cut the Reserve Forces.

6. Increase overstretch across the board.
 
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1980 = The Cold war
1990 = Peace keeping
2000 = Islamic terrorism
2010 = ?

Is it just me or every time the forces are re-roled to cope with the threat a new one pop's up.
 
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Armed Forces need 'deep change' to beat terrorism
I thought that we had beaten terrorism in Kenya, Malaya, Cyprus and Borneo and not done too badly in Aden and NI. So what's this idiot talking about? I think he meant to say "Present Government needs 'deep change' to beat terrorism"
 
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"Protect the jobs of or even increase the numbers of the 100,000 Civil Servants in the MOD - many of whom are a waste of rations."

French chap - CS has decreased from 130,00 to 85,000 all up (desk jobs, RFA, MPGS etc) in the last 10 years. Its going to drop further in the near future.
 
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acornminiminor said:
Armed Forces need 'deep change' to beat terrorism
I thought that we had beaten terrorism in Kenya, Malaya, Cyprus and Borneo and not done too badly in Aden and NI. So what's this idiot talking about? I think he meant to say "Present Government needs 'deep change' to beat terrorism"
Dont worry, this government will indeed be "Deeply changed" come the election, it will be changed to "Unemployed ex government" :x :x :D :D
 
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Manley said:
acornminiminor said:
Armed Forces need 'deep change' to beat terrorism
I thought that we had beaten terrorism in Kenya, Malaya, Cyprus and Borneo and not done too badly in Aden and NI. So what's this idiot talking about? I think he meant to say "Present Government needs 'deep change' to beat terrorism"
Dont worry, this government will indeed be "Deeply changed" come the election, it will be changed to "Unemployed ex government" :x :x :D :D
Unemployed????? you ar e having a laugh. They will have feathered there nests, far better than the B[w]ankers ever did.
 
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jim30 said:
"Protect the jobs of or even increase the numbers of the 100,000 Civil Servants in the MOD - many of whom are a waste of rations."

French chap - CS has decreased from 130,00 to 85,000 all up (desk jobs, RFA, MPGS etc) in the last 10 years. Its going to drop further in the near future.
Aren't MPGS part of the Military side of the MoD?
 
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The biggest danger to our country is not terrorism but our Government.
 
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The_Coming_Man said:
The biggest danger to our country is not terrorism but our Government.

And ever since 1967, Liebour has been paranoid the Armed Forces might get sufficently pissed off with it to give them their P45 at the barrel of a gun.

And so… Constant cuts in the numbers and an overwheening desire to keep as much of the Army as possible tied up overseas fighting assorted bods.
 
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HellofromFrance said:
4. Protect the jobs of or even increase the numbers of the 100,000 Civil Servants in the MOD - many of whom are a waste of rations.
I agree with everything else but why attack the MOD CS? The jobs still need doing in order to keep the Services trained and deployed. Are you proposing that those jobs are done by military personnel - even more expensive - or by civilian contractors - even more expensive than the military option?

Whichever way you look at it, the MOD CS is a quality workforce at a very cheap price.

Litotes
 
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Labour won't conduct a SDR, they're too busy fighting the current battle and it will take too long...

the next SDR will come from the incoming Conservative government...expect 10000-20000 pax off the ORBAT
 
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Litotes said:
Whichever way you look at it, the MOD CS is a quality workforce at a very cheap price.
Litotes
disagree...hugely...the MOD CS will be slashed too in favour of contractorised options...more flexible, efficient,reactive and critically you can sack them when they're under-performing unlike the CS
 
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"disagree...hugely...the MOD CS will be slashed too in favour of contractorised options...more flexible, efficient,reactive and critically you can sack them when they're under-performing unlike the CS "

Danny - in what ways are the MOD CS under-performing?

The contractorised options work out far more expensive in the long haul, as they exist to make a profit - if you have a CS team, you can use them relatively easily without worrying about paying for it. Start using contractors outside of their areas, and the bills soon mount up. Its an old urban myth that contractors are cheaper!
 
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jim30 said:
"Protect the jobs of or even increase the numbers of the 100,000 Civil Servants in the MOD - many of whom are a waste of rations."

French chap - CS has decreased from 130,00 to 85,000 all up (desk jobs, RFA, MPGS etc) in the last 10 years. Its going to drop further in the near future.
No it has not and it will not. All that has and will happen is that a pile of CS jobs have moved sideways to become "contractors" of one sort or another. Take your CS numbers and add back Landmarc, ESS, Quinetic, whatever ABRO is called now, the DII crew and so on. The net result is that the civvy/green mix continues to move in the wrong direction. I don't care who it says on their pay-packet, if they are inside the wire MOD is paying the bill.

And as for "quality" - sorry, I have to disagree. Some are good I'll grant you but the majority are not. More importantly the whole CS ( Not just MOD types) seem to have lost the ability to look for efficient ways of operating. We spend far too much time and effort on administering ourselves and for far too many the process is more important than the outcome - many do not even know what the process is supposed to achieve.
 
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The_Coming_Man said:
The biggest danger to our country is not terrorism but our Government.
Never a truer word spoken. The only way Al Queda could do more damage to this country than ZANU-Labour has is if they get their hands on Suitcase Nukes... :evil:
 

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