Argh!!!!! Drivers

#1
This might have already been covered, but driving regs appear to have changed yet again. The main bits being:

1. Start of (civilian) working day is now deemed to be the start of the day, so drivers need to end their driving 15??? hours from this time

2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.

Is any of this online? Working me way through driving quals seems to be a lot harder than MENSA soduko.

p.s. Don't start me on the lack of formal driving courses for TA, i.e. where is our Leconfield?
 
#2
polar said:
p.s. Don't start me on the lack of formal driving courses for TA, i.e. where is our Leconfield?
ERRRR That would be 5 Trg Regt at Grantham mate but good luck getting any one on a course that isnt RLC "National" TA as they take "priority" aparently even The independant units are finding hard to get people on courses there my main problem with my troop at the minute is B+E courses its enough to make you want to support Man City
 
#3
Did my C+E there but they just supplied facilities (e.g. bed, food, etc), driver training was supplied by a civvie firm. My Cat C was supplied by a TA RLC trained instructor who was again employed by a civvie firm.

Seems barking we have the resources but they aren't being properly managed
 
#4
And just watch the rising panic as TA Gunners realise the implications of binning RB44 (non HGV license) and replacing with DAF (HGV license)...


Oh, and "Officers are not allowed to drive".

msr
 
#5
how long does a basic LR familiarisation, for a GS LR, course takes these days? 1 to 2 weeks? can they be done in house? only if you can get the suitable instructor who is willing, how hard is that? very, then can we get our own people trained? yes, but try to get them on a relevant course - impossible
 
#6
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
If that's true then my lot are never leaving barracks again. We always struggle to get enough HGV qualified people in for one per vehicle, let alone two !
 
#7
quiller said:
how long does a basic LR familiarisation, for a GS LR, course takes these days? 1 to 2 weeks? can they be done in house? only if you can get the suitable instructor who is willing, how hard is that? very, then can we get our own people trained? yes, but try to get them on a relevant course - impossible
I despair. We seem to have a number of people in the organisation who have set themselves the task of making sure we cannot work effectively - or indeed at all....

Doubtless they will have it all hidden under a blanket of H&S clouded with an over interpretation of an EU Directive ?
 
#8
There is spare allocation at 5 Training Regt RLC, Grantham. Most independent RLC regiments do their training in house.

Two weeks ago my unit was informed of Grantham not rceiving enough bids !

Getting people qualified for a minibus seems to be our biggest problem ! :frustrated:
 
#9
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
Do you have the reference for this?

msr
 
#10
AIUI the problem with officers driving is that even in the Fd Hosps with a full colonel at CO the CO would not be sufficiently senior to deal with relatively minor issues becasue the way the rules work would require something to be done a 1* level.

that said there was talk of this having to be changed 5 or so years ago due to the issues surrounding D1 licences and minibuses ...

in terms of the RB44 vs Daf issue it's an issue for pre 96 full icence holders with freebie C1 post 96 licence holders shouldn't be driving either as the rb 44 is over 3.5 tonne
 
#11
msr said:
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
Do you have the reference for this?

msr
If this is the case and noting that a. Officers are not allowed to drive and b. personnel are not allowed in the back of BOWMANised LRs - how does a Coy/Sqn/Bty Comd recce group (say two TUM FFRs) actually leave camp with the OC?
 
#12
IDONTNEEDAHAIRCUT said:
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
If that's true then my lot are never leaving barracks again. We always struggle to get enough HGV qualified people in for one per vehicle, let alone two !
Ha ha! You don't actually think we'll take any notice of that do you?!
 
#13
msr said:
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
Do you have the reference for this?

msr
MT - I'm beginning to believe their writing the prototype rules for the EU or their taking EU regs to the letter.

p.s. I've not seen any driving rules on paper for years, despite the fact I've asked for them
 
#14
Our politicaly correct MOD could, if they realy wanted to, apply to the EU for dispensation to many of the stupid rules and regs that are implemented. However, they are all shit scared of the Health and Safety issues that we, the military drivers flaunt (to get the job done) whilst on duty. Stand by for tachographs and the requirement for all HGV/PCV drivers to be CPC trained!! Life would be a lot easier for us if the TA were given better driver training facilities, as in house training for non RLC units is not easy due to lack of qualified instructors and the lack of intrest from the higher echelons who do not see the MT's as important....until they cant go anywhere...then its the MTWO's fault! I have been told that DST have been approached to cost and develop TA specific driver training for ALL TA units, and not just the RLC There could be a soloution in the not too distant future......or am I dreaming?
 
#15
Or a any unit, if the two seats at the front are occupied with qualified drivers (in hours of course), no one is able to travel in the back without seatbelts.

Where would officers, drivers out of hours, troops waiting for that cat of licence travel other than the minibus which can't go off the hard standing?
 
#16
Trossachs said:
quiller said:
how long does a basic LR familiarisation, for a GS LR, course takes these days? 1 to 2 weeks? can they be done in house? only if you can get the suitable instructor who is willing, how hard is that? very, then can we get our own people trained? yes, but try to get them on a relevant course - impossible
I despair. We seem to have a number of people in the organisation who have set themselves the task of making sure we cannot work effectively - or indeed at all....

Doubtless they will have it all hidden under a blanket of H&S clouded with an over interpretation of an EU Directive ?
A land rover course is only a FAM Course / weekend . The issue is that you have to run a GS driver course before they are famed on green fleet. All green fleet can then be added to a FMT 600 with the correct fam training. The problems come when you try to run GS driver courses. These have to be applied for from Deepcut / Leaconsfeild and then they will want to vist to see if you have corret ratios and instructors.

Mini buses need a GSDI with D1 on there licence and on there FMT 600. If this is not complicated enough for you do not forget that vehicals should be removed from your FMT 600 if you havent driven one for a year. Give it another year and every weekend will be based at your TAC.
 
#17
mph1977 said:
AIUI the problem with officers driving is that even in the Fd Hosps with a full colonel at CO the CO would not be sufficiently senior to deal with relatively minor issues becasue the way the rules work would require something to be done a 1* level.
I thought that now you had to be able to show serious negligence or culpability in order to charge someone for pranging a vehicle - unlike the good old days when a scratched panel meant FMT3 Action and a slot outside the OCs office next Drill Night ?

On that basis there should be way less issue with an Offr driving ? Something I do regularly BTW !

I've always thought it was a last hang-over from the 1950s.
 
#18
Another thought, if the working day is now from the start of the civilian day, does this not mean that a bloke who starts work at 6am need to be bedded down by 21:00?

E.g. if one person in your unit works an early shift he needs to be in bed, not travelling to a camp by 21:00. My unit does not normally leave till around 22:00. We normally arrive around midnight so anyone who starts before 09:00 will be out of hours.

Does anyone know where this is written down?
 
#19
[quote="saladdoger
A land rover course is only a FAM Course / weekend . [/quote]

A weekend ?? To take an already trained driver and introduce him to the highly complex beast which is a GS landrover ?? - and thats without the "cross country" bit I take it ? FFS please tell me someone is taking the piss.

Assuming we have a trained driver, saloon car type, I can't see that it needs much more than - 40 mins on vehicle controls - hi/lo box etc, 40 mins on Ist parade and docs followed by fam drive until happy - A couple of hours tops for the whole exercise ? What on earth in in the syllabus now ??
 
#20
polar said:
msr said:
polar said:
2. Green fleet needs two drivers with the correct driving quals to drive a wagon out the gate. Only having 1 minibus driver (per wagon) is ok but 2 is desirable.
Do you have the reference for this?

msr
MT - I'm beginning to believe their writing the prototype rules for the EU or their taking EU regs to the letter.

p.s. I've not seen any driving rules on paper for years, despite the fact I've asked for them
So where did you see that the driving regs had changed?

msr
 

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