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Argentine Air Power

arfah

LE
The single air-air kill of a RM Scout was arguably the only notable thing the Pucara managed in the Falklands. Ironically, the pilot who killed the Scout crashed into a mountain while returning home!

With regard to Mountains and Argentine air power, the Junta were very, very lucky!

Most of our mountains went down on the Atlantic Conveyor.

“T-A-X-I !!!”
 

Yokel

LE
Am I right in thinking that none of the Pucaras the Argentines deployed to the Falklands returned home after the war? The SAS destroyed some on Pebble Island, a few got hit by naval gunfire, a least one got splashed by Sea Harrier, and one or two were damaged by bomb blasts from Black Buck One I think....
 
Am I right in thinking that none of the Pucaras the Argentines deployed to the Falklands returned home after the war? The SAS destroyed some on Pebble Island, a few got hit by naval gunfire, a least one got splashed by Sea Harrier, and one or two were damaged by bomb blasts from Black Buck One I think....
There's one at Flixton Aircraft Museum Bungay. Starting to look a bit daggie now though.

ps. They've also got a Sea Harrier, Sharkey Ward's I believe.
 
According to Santiago Rivas (an Argentine author for those who've not encountered him).

Three were shot down. One by St Sharkey of the Caribbean, one by 'Them' with a Stinger, and the third by some irate Paras who took exception to the Pucara attempting to kill them and demonstrated to its pilot that a certain rifle was not to be trifled with.

5 were destroyed or damaged so that they couldn't be flown out or recovered at Pebble Island. One of them had been damaged while landing and hadn't been repaired by the time of the raid

7 were captured either intact or with minor damage (some inflicted by Paras/Royals having a wander about the airfield post-war)

1 crashed

1 was damaged and then written off when another Pucara crashed into it (also written off)

4 were rendered unfit to fly by air attacks on Stanley

1 was left at Stanley because its nose gear failed

Rivas lists all the Pucaras which deployed to the islands and none returned.
 
I have the pleasure of seeing G-HUEY perform at airshows .....as it was Argie bootie....went to to the RAFBF and appeared during 1987 007 flick The Living Daylights still in its wartime colors.

Last month, I popped down to Jetfest and saw it (my photos below).

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And recently , thanks to help of a former Junglie pilot and Falklands vet, the Argentine Ejercitio aviator one Lt Col Francisco 'Pancho' Ramirez came to North Weald and was reunited with his fromer mount.

Cheers
 
I have three uncles on my fathers side that served with the Fleet Air Arm during the coflict.......met one of them in the Far East, saw the photos they took during the conflict on deck.

Anyhow in one's bedroom reading collection lol, detailing the Argentine airpower during the Falklands War ( Chopper's three uncles from his fathers side served in the RN) , it makes interesting reading. Especially the amount of civilian operators both fixed wing and rotary wing that were 'press ganged' , impressed upon to support on the mainland
There were even two non Argentinian personnel (one a UK helicopter engineer albeit working in Argnetina on his South African passport and a Dutch helicopter pilot involved).

Across the board be it the air force, navy or army aviation had support in one form or the other from their civilian counterparts. Even Dutch operator Schreiner supported with SA365C Dauphins, Helicopteros Marinos with their S-61N, S-58T, Various local government regions provided mix of Bell 206, Bell 222 (sorry have shades of Airwolf Season 1 - Fight Like A Dove with Stringfellow Hawke fighting former Nazi now arms dealer based in Argentina boasting of Exocets use in the Falklands) , Fairchild Hiller FH1100, and MBB BO105, Bell 212, Hughes 500C,

One would have thought Schreiner at the top would have refused their Argentinian subsidary to be part of the Junta's military effort or that the Junta would trust a foreign operator.

Worth a read....for sure

Cheers

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I have the pleasure of seeing G-HUEY perform at airshows .....as it was Argie bootie....went to to the RAFBF and appeared during 1987 007 flick The Living Daylights still in its wartime colors.

Last month, I popped down to Jetfest and saw it (my photos below).

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And recently , thanks to help of a former Junglie pilot and Falklands vet, the Argentine Ejercitio aviator one Lt Col Francisco 'Pancho' Ramirez came to North Weald and was reunited with his fromer mount.

Cheers
121st Avn is the "Soc Trang Tigers" a US army Helo unit in South Vietnam
 

Yokel

LE
In the late nineties (I think) the Argentine Navy integrated the AM39 Exocet on their Sea King helicopters. I think this was to retain a long range (shipborne) attack that was lost when their carrier was finally decommissioned, having spent years in port.

If Argentina had Exocet armed helicopters in 1982 and had flown them from shore locations, how much of a game changer would it have been?
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
In the late nineties (I think) the Argentine Navy integrated the AM39 Exocet on their Sea King helicopters. I think this was to retain a long range (shipborne) attack that was lost when their carrier was finally decommissioned, having spent years in port.

If Argentina had Exocet armed helicopters in 1982 and had flown them from shore locations, how much of a game changer would it have been?

Probably not all that much due to them only having around 5 missiles.
 

Yokel

LE
Probably not all that much due to them only having around 5 missiles.

At the time - yes! But they were trying to get more, and French Navy Super Frelons had fired Exocet!

I was thinking of a situation in which they had a stash of Exocets, and were able to launch these from helicopters launched from the few surface ships still operating post Belgrano, or ambushing the British ships in San Carlos Water during the landings.
 

arfah

LE
I’ve had the privilege of flying in an Argentine Hughes 500 while serving with UNFICYP (i’m Sure i’m not alone), courtesy of the Argentine Ejercito.

Good fun buzzing tractors and farmers at grass top height in the Sector 2 area.
There’s also a Bell 212 available.
 
@Yokel

May I respectfully suggest that your hypothetical questions and alternative history scenarios are moved to the Falklands history thread?

Regards,
MM
 
I’ve had the privilege of flying in an Argentine Hughes 500 while serving with UNFICYP (i’m Sure i’m not alone), courtesy of the Argentine Ejercito.

Good fun buzzing tractors and farmers at grass top height in the Sector 2 area.
There’s also a Bell 212 available.

Cool Late 90s by any chance? I asked for secondment / attachment to our AAC UN Flight @Dek...only for my CO kept saying "Ah so you want to join the Argentine Army" lol forgetting handover responsibilities to them after unit disbanded.

Laughingly 4th Group Argentine Air Force flies Alouette II for 4 decades , and so did AAC ...and the second type operated by our contribution to UNFICYP ..

Cheers
 

Yokel

LE
Came across this on FB group where it talks about Pucara tested with torpedo lol in a vague attempt at anti surface warfare during the conflict.


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Great find. I had heard about the idea before, but had no idea it got as far as a trial. Was using an aircraft launched torpedo against a surface warship really a good idea in the age of missiles?

Talking of missiles, here is an 1984 article by the Argentine Naval Officer who commanded the Super Eterndard squadron in 1982.

Super Eterndard Operations

Cdr Columbo not only mentions the Argentine tactics, but also that the Argentine Air Force was unprepared for anti ship attacks, and the Argentines relied heavily on a very limited number of Hercules tankers.

The Super Eterndard was intended to fly from their carrier. I also understand (was told) that the Argentine Navy A-4Q could carry AAMs and they did think of putting them against Sea Harrier
 

Dark_Nit

LE
Book Reviewer
A-4s are qualified for Sidewinders, although I can't remember which specific models.

Certainly the A-4K Kuwaiti planes have been seen fitted with A to A missiles on the outer pylons and also Singapore A-4SU
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ETA: Sidewinder is a relatively easy retro-fit
 

Dark_Nit

LE
Book Reviewer
Wiki has the following photo of an A-4AR - refurbished and sold to Argies in 1997-8
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@Yokel

May I respectfully suggest that your hypothetical questions and alternative history scenarios are moved to the Falklands history thread?

Regards,
MM
May I respectfully suggest that his hypothetical history scenarios be moved to the Falklands (Fantasy) history thread.

ISTR that the Argentines (specifically academics) were making credible efforts to locate the Task Force via stray RF radiation from satellite communications. It might not belong on this thread but I think fantasy is a bit harsh. While the wider Argentine Military may have fallen down on 'Bread and Butter' warfighting there is something to be learned from their willingness to try and improvise and perhaps more merit in the line of speculation @Yokel would like us to pursue.

Imagine if it had occurred to them to adjust the fusing on the bombs they were employing against the surface ships?
 
Great find. I had heard about the idea before, but had no idea it got as far as a trial. Was using an aircraft launched torpedo against a surface warship really a good idea in the age of missiles?

Iron bombs probably weren't but they attacked with them anyway at sea and in San Carlos. Imagine the torpedo armed Pucarra sneaking in from an unexpected direction while the Skyhawks were occupying the Air Defenders during the landings.

ETA Italicised words added.
 
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