Argentina, politics and the Falklands - new developments...

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  1. this is from the Scotsman.

    Falkland fear as Argentina steps up show of strength
    BRIAN BRADY
    WESTMINSTER EDITOR (bdbrady@scotlandonsunday.com)
    AN INCREASINGLY anxious UK government is closely monitoring a build-up of Argentinian military strength and a series of confrontations with the RAF close to the Falkland Islands, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.

    The activity has led Tony Blair's most senior advisers to demand he issues a "hands-off" warning to Buenos Aires.

    Downing Street is facing growing fears for the future of the islands - which were seized back from Argentinian control in a bloody and symbolic campaign ordered by Margaret Thatcher almost a quarter of a century ago.

    High-ranking officials in both the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office have confessed to concerns that the changing political situation in Argentina and Latin America, as well as Britain's growing military commitments around the world, are conspiring to undermine the security of the Falklands.


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    A senior Ministry of Defence source said: "This could be termed as sabre-rattling, but when our forces are deployed in so many locations, its potential for causing mischief is magnified. We've been watching a steady build-up of the Argentine air force over the past year. Frankly, they have no need for such a large fighting force, and there is concern in Whitehall as to what this is all about."

    He added: "The Argentine air force is at least twice the size of that we fought during the Falklands War and the question has to be asked: how many more aircraft do they need?"

    Tory MP Andrew Rosindell, chairman of the all-party Falkland Islands Group, said: "It is time the British government told the Argentinians they won't get away with this alarming hostility. I hope the Argentine government is not planning any military action, but we have got to learn the lessons of the past and any actions have to be rebutted. The moment we are seen to be weakening, our resolve is going to be questioned."

    Rosindell said residents' fears of abandonment were reinforced last week when the BBC announced it was cutting its twice-weekly bulletins to the islands.

    Dr Francisco Panizza, senior lecturer in Latin American politics at the London School of Economics, said the signs of a new power base around Chavez had sparked anxiety among Western governments.

    "Kirchner's leadership is characterised by his populism, defining Argentina against her enemies," he said.

    "He has used multinationals and oil companies, so referring to the Malvinas would fit in with that - but I don't think he is in a position to invade the islands again."

    Panizza added that the Venezuelan leader's intervention "would have resonated very well in Buenos Aires".


    scotsman

    any views?

    are they actually likely to have a go given the current garrison and air strength on the FI, or is this purely for domestic consumption?

    and if it is purely for domestic consumption, can the current government keep it to sabre rattling?
     
  2. The idea that the FAA is 'twice the strenght it was in 1982' is ludicrous. Currently it consists of:

    <36 modified and updated A4 Skyhawks

    A similar number of Migage III/V variants

    40-50 updated Pucaras

    9-10 Naval Super Etendards.

    That's it for combat aircraft. Actually somewhat less than they had in 1982.
     
  3. Just curious Andy, where did you get your figures?
     
  4. They probably fancy their chances this time around with a Spineless British P.M, virtually all of our overstretched forces committed throughout the world on loan to George Bush and both of our RN ships on duty somewhere else.
     
  5. Just send in la SAS to sabotage their air power again like last time!
     
  6. Argies couldn't do it again, the whole idea of the 2 x Airfields and the Garrison there is to land thousands of troops within a day or 2 Max... And are their forces going to be full of conscripts again?!
     
  7. Although with Spineless Bliar and his entourage they probably actually 'do' fancy their chances, they've probably been following our Defence Cuts over the past few years and know how shat our Navy is nowadays!!!
     
  8. TT - recent survey in Air Forces Monthly.

    Manchester Rogue - that mission failed.
     
  9. Argies have a professional army nowadays, so...no
     
  10. Even now Bliar is contemplating the handing back of Los Malvinas with a snivelling apology and compensation to all Argentinian servicemen and their families. It 1982 will NOT be mentioned again in any history books, and it will be mandatory in the FI school curriculum to learn Spanish.
     
  11. And where would we get the troops? Or the airlift? They've probably been reading Lewis Page's excellent book 'Lions, Donkeys and Dinosaurs"... anyone reading that would definitely have a pop at the FI's...
     
  12. They would be incredibly shortsighted to try and invade the Falklands again.
    The simple truth is, that even if you control the air, you still need to bring in fuel-oil for the power station by sea. Quite how they propose to stop our subs sinking their tankers is a mystery.
    There is no way they could hope to sustain a long term occupation without mains power. Ok, they could cut their occupying forces back to a minimum, and fly in a small quantity of fuel to sustain them, but they'll look pretty sick when we choose the moment for HMS Ocean to rock up with 300 booties embarked.
     
  13. Congrats SM that's your 1000 up ( I imagine Herrenbloke could have managed twenty times that by now!) :wink:
     
  14. Oh yes! 8O That just sort of snuck up on me, I clearly spend far too much time on here. :oops: :lol:
    Cheers Pike
     
  15. Hmm, interesting.

    Don't forget of course that our Friends in washington are trying to flog a huge number of used f-16s at some surprisingly cheap prices in that part of the world, not to mention other bits of kit. Argentina is finewhen democratic its when a less favourable regime comes in that we need to look a bit more critically.

    Maybe air defence isnt so "irrelevant" after all.