Are We Really Any Better Off After Our Desert Adventures ?

#1
Between both Gulf Wars, Afghan and this latest crusade with Libya, we must have used hundreds of tons of ordinance costing billions to the UK tax payer.

The question is ... Are we really any better off as a country after doing all of this ??

I know that we are a damn sight poorer, in more ways than one, that's for sure!

As for keeping terrorism off our streets, i say that the hundreds of good people who we have now sadly lost and those now scared for life mentally and physically would be the equivalent of several major terror attacks here in the UK.
 
#3
Add to that the 100s of thousands of good men (from both sides) who lie in military cemeteries from Morocco to Egypt in the see-saw battles in North Africa in the last war and you would question our sanity in ever getting involved in the area again.
 
#4
We're not and it's evens at best if the Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, etc. are either.
 
#5
As for keeping terrorism off our streets, i say that the hundreds of good people who we have now sadly lost and those now scared for life mentally and physically would be the equivalent of several major terror attacks here in the UK.
Invading these countries in the first place brings terrorism to this country. Stirring up a hornets nest springs to mind.
 
#6
I wish you'd learn how to spell ordnance. Hundreds of tons of laws are of little effect.

As to your question, who knows where we'd be if these things hadn't happened? Entirely impossible to know. Why do you ask?
 
#7
We would have been far better off improving our security and finding all the illegals living here, which the government admits it has no idea how many there are living here.
 
#8
Invading these countries in the first place brings terrorism to this country. Stirring up a hornets nest springs to mind.
Yes, that's why Mr Bin Laden decided to attack the USA in 2001, in retaliation for their invasion of his home country... oh wait.
 
#9
Yes, that's why Mr Bin Laden decided to attack the USA in 2001, in retaliation for their invasion of his home country... oh wait.
Given that he defines Islam as his home country, that's not far off the truth.
 
#10
Yes, that's why Mr Bin Laden decided to attack the USA in 2001, in retaliation for their invasion of his home country... oh wait.
******* hell. The no mark never served (even in the TA, cadets or cubs) civvy speaks again. The USA were up to no good in Pakistan and Afghanistan long before they sent in the masses. Do you think Bin Laden did it because he doesn't like MacDonalds?
 
#11
Given that he defines Islam as his home country, that's not far off the truth.
And in his view our invasion was a moral one. Our western morals and ideals such as allowing women to be equal and allowing them to have an education led him to feel the west was a threat to islam.

Just under 3000 people were killed as a direct result of the september 11th attacks, these attacks could happen because terrorist groups could operate in places like Afghanistan.
 
#12
Invading these countries in the first place brings terrorism to this country. Stirring up a hornets nest springs to mind.
But the chavs think they are safer. OK I know why I left, sorry.
 
#14
Even considering most training camps are in Pakistan, Somalia and the Yemen? So why aren't we there?
Most of them don't have the first clue about the consequences of anything.

But you knew that, sorry, they deserve all they have coming to them.
 
#15
Just under 3000 people were killed as a direct result of the september 11th attacks, these attacks could happen because terrorist groups could operate in places like Afghanistan.
Err .... and just under 400 British troops have been killed (to date) as a direct result of being in Afghan, and that is the equivalent of several terrorist attacks on the UK, heaven forbid.
 
#16
Err .... and just under 400 British troops have been killed (to date) as a direct result of being in Afghan, and that is the equivalent of several terrorist attacks on the UK, heaven forbid.
Reading back, what have you done? You have a concern about tonnes of bombs, do educate us what you know of such things?
 
#17
If memory serves, and I can't be arrsed to google for it, at least one Parliamentary Committee (under the last lot) concluded that our sandbox involvement had effectively increased the threat to the population of the UK, and more recently, another one has concluded that - however the military campaign may be faring - the overall strategy (if it can really be graced with such a title) in AFG is going nowhere but downhill.

And it's all costing a fortune - the strategic imperative being to remain under Unca Sam's defence umbrella - which becomes increasingly important as the cost of ill-considered adventures has made it increasingly difficult for us to fund the requirements of our real strategic defence needs,
 
#18
I agree with you stonker:

In this latest desert campaign we have charged into, after one week of operations, we are now £70million worse off (based on the agreed £10million per day total OP costings) ....... and Gaddafi is still in power!

If this remains the case, it will only be a matter of time before the U.N operations start to discredit themselves and the campaign will be called off leaving the U.N with massive egg on its face (and a astronomical bill to boot!)

The clock is against us on this one.

All Gaddafi has to do is to sit it out.

More worrying is the fact that Gaddafi seems to be gaining support from his own people purely because of this U.N operation.

Gadaffi will be seen as a marta if he is taken out by Western forces and this could inflame a Arab revolt towards the West.

The fact that we are sorting out a African problem when African country's should be sorting it out for themselves is quite frankly beyond me.

In summery ..... NO we will defiantly not be any better off as a country after our desert adventures.
 
#19
"The clock is against us on this one. All Gaddafi has to do is to sit it out."

Tend to agree with that.
Very badly thought out operation.
The US has provided most of the firepower and Berry wants out.
Sarkozy wants Glory and I've no idea just what Dave wants.

john
Well I have, Bend over boy and this is going too hurt you more then me.
 

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