Are we proud of our Vets???

Biped

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#2
Yet another notch on Broon's despatch box. I am not ashamed to be British, but I am deeply ashamed of our government, and the people in this country who allow this to happen without calling these cnuts to account.
 

elovabloke

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#3
Currently under review. The present review time is 2 1/2 yrs on average I seem to remember reading somewhere.
 
#4
Biped said:
Yet another notch on Broon's despatch box. I am not ashamed to be British, but I am deeply ashamed of our government, and the people in this country who allow this to happen without calling these cnuts to account.
Dont be ashamed to be British Boggy :D

Be ashamed of politicians, of all stripes :evil:

There are many things to be proud of, at the moment, top of that list are lads and lasses on the line in sandy places.
 
#5
I think you will get three very different answers if you ask the populations of Arrse members, the general British population and our current political masters.

The general population, I believe (and see at Remembrance Day, for example, which is the best attended public event in my local town) are proud of serving and ex-serving military personnel in a sort of generic, will-turn-out and wave flag or keep the silence but then go and do my shopping, way. I bit like, I suspect, most of them feel about the Royal Family. And they would, by and large, see Scott's troubles as "Somebody-Else's Problem" (TM D Adams).

Our political masters - would rather we all shut up (as we have been ordered to do), stopped spending their money (or asking for them to spend it on food, ammo, housing, pensions, medical treatment etc), did everything they told us to do and let them get on with plotting how to lie enough to the population to win the next election.

But I am a cynical old b*stard.
 
#6
E_A_Wright said:
Biped said:
Yet another notch on Broon's despatch box. I am not ashamed to be British, but I am deeply ashamed of our government, and the people in this country who allow this to happen without calling these cnuts to account.
Dont be ashamed to be British Boggy :D

Be ashamed of politicians, of all stripes :evil:

There are many things to be proud of, at the moment, top of that list are lads and lasses on the line in sandy places.


my bold.
I am extremely ashamed of our Mafia Politicians, I ask you, are they not scum of the Earth.?

The boys and girls in sandy places deserve more respect. I salute you![/b]
 

elovabloke

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#7
boggy said:
my bold.
I am extremely ashamed of our Mafia Politicians, I ask you, are they not scum of the Earth.?

The boys and girls in sandy places deserve more respect. I salute you![/b]


It may be an old fashioned view but as we (the British public) voted them in then we are responsable. If your unhappy vote them out next time, but we are what we vote.
 
#8
I read the link with interest. I think the guy is cruising toward more trouble if he's spending so much time outside the UK each year. War pension rules are quite tight on this and he's just waved a "review me" flag at the VA. I'm struggling to believe he's on so low an amount in total. My war pension is less than that a week but I also have my attributable service pension on top. I don't accept the numbers quoted for the range of disability mentioned.

Needs a big pinch of salt until it's explained better IMO.
 
#9
elovabloke said:
boggy said:
my bold.
I am extremely ashamed of our Mafia Politicians, I ask you, are they not scum of the Earth.?

The boys and girls in sandy places deserve more respect. I salute you![/b]


It may be an old fashioned view but as we (the British public) voted them in then we are responsable. If your unhappy vote them out next time, but we are what we vote.


I live and work in a constituency where there is a significant (though it has shrunk over the last two elections) Labour majority. Short of selling my house and moving to a different place, which was the suggestion of one Labour politician with whom I discussed the issue, there is no way that my vote has any effect whatsoever. Given the state of stamp-duty and solicitor's rates, to gain a vote which might actually effect the state of play in the House of Commons, let alone a voice which is likely to be listened to by the Government, would cost me more than a full screw takes home in a year.

Tell me again how this is all my fault...
 

Biped

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#10
fas_et_gloria said:
elovabloke said:
boggy said:
my bold.
I am extremely ashamed of our Mafia Politicians, I ask you, are they not scum of the Earth.?

The boys and girls in sandy places deserve more respect. I salute you![/b]


It may be an old fashioned view but as we (the British public) voted them in then we are responsable. If your unhappy vote them out next time, but we are what we vote.


I live and work in a constituency where there is a significant (though it has shrunk over the last two elections) Labour majority. Short of selling my house and moving to a different place, which was the suggestion of one Labour politician with whom I discussed the issue, there is no way that my vote has any effect whatsoever. Given the state of stamp-duty and solicitor's rates, to gain a vote which might actually effect the state of play in the House of Commons, let alone a voice which is likely to be listened to by the Government, would cost me more than a full screw takes home in a year.

Tell me again how this is all my fault...


And there's the rub innit? All this gerrymandering doesn't help, and it is not US the voters who get to decide which bunch of unelectables is put before us to vote on. We are given Labliar, Sven, CaMoron and a bunch of other no-hopers. Just the same as we have no say in who is the head chimp in each of these unrepresentative groups.

"OK folks; electors, so-to-speak, you are now required to vote in order that you can select the best party to represent the country, for your benefit, in the interests of a glorious Albion. The options are exceedingly limited, but that's the nature of Party Political Democracy, and that's how we've rigged it. We give you Stalin's Organ, Wet, Wet, Wet, Hack'n'Slash, the Monster Raving Loony Party, Socialist Nazism or The Tree Huggers. You have to vote for one of them, and whichever one gets in and mismanages the country, just so you know in advance, it's your fault that they got in. So, don't delay, pick one of OUR nominations today!"
 

elovabloke

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Unfortunately that’s how our system works. I live in an area where I hear every labour supporter say the same thing and never vote or vote tactically. I wish I had a quid for every one of them that said it and, they might be surprised if they actually cast their vote the way they wanted it to go. Which IMHO is nearly as bad as not voting.

My preferred option at the next election is for the nation not to vote at all. Perhaps greedy MP’s would get the message that they are there to work for the people in what is the best interest for the country and not just to vote in their pay rises and extra allowances.
 
#12
There are some bits on that story that don't ring true.

Probably just the usual media garbling/laziness but there are a couple of contradictions plus as mentioned above the amounts are or at least seem to be wrong.

£70 a month pension plus an undeclared amount from the "Veterans Fund" whatever that might be.


Much more detail required.
 
#13
I have believed for some years now that on every ballot paper issued on election days, there should be a box marked "none of the above".
 
#14
Steven said:
There are some bits on that story that don't ring true.

Probably just the usual media garbling/laziness but there are a couple of contradictions plus as mentioned above the amounts are or at least seem to be wrong.

£70 a month pension plus an undeclared amount from the "Veterans Fund" whatever that might be.


Much more detail required.
Can't comment on the numbers, but agree with Mikal and Steven that it's difficult to reach a clear conclusion without more information.

What I don't doubt is that Cpl Garthley has been royally screwed around since he was injured. There were a couple of media articles relating to his case in 2005 and 2006 that explained why he had resorted to paying for his own treatment.

From a personal perspective, I read articles regarding Cpl Garthley's case with interest, having deployed to Kuwait and discussed his civilian role with him at some length, TELIC cost him in all respects.

Oh, and unless he moved to Birmingham before moving to Bulgaria, that statement isn't true either.
 
#15
Did anything come of the suggestion made last year that Services' personnel apply for proxy votes in selected areas to try and make a difference?
 
#16
It didn't take long for the usual suspects to step up and try and dis-credit the story did it?

Of course if it is in the Mail or Toryraph it can't possibly be true can it? The first act of this despicable governement (and its supporters) when faced with criticism is to deny and discredit the source

Personally I am not surprised by this disgraceful treatment of a veteran. Why? Not because I believe everything I read in the papers, but because I have seen how friends and colleagues have been treated in the recent past.

There are honourable politicians out there and I know some of them read this site. Let's hope one takes on the issue soonest.
 
#17
Mikal said:
I read the link with interest. I think the guy is cruising toward more trouble if he's spending so much time outside the UK each year. War pension rules are quite tight on this and he's just waved a "review me" flag at the VA...
What rules, as a matter of interest? War pensioners are not permitted to be resident outwith the UK?
 

elovabloke

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#18
hackle said:
Mikal said:
I read the link with interest. I think the guy is cruising toward more trouble if he's spending so much time outside the UK each year. War pension rules are quite tight on this and he's just waved a "review me" flag at the VA...
What rules, as a matter of interest? War pensioners are not permitted to be resident outwith the UK?
hackle - I presume a moment of fat fingers but are you saying that you are not entitled to a war pension if you reside outside of the UK and will this mean if you move out of the UK once you are in reciept you have to end your war pension?
 
#20
elovabloke said:
Currently under review. The present review time is 2 1/2 yrs on average I seem to remember reading somewhere.

Which stinks aswell, whats he supposed to live on for 2 1/2 years?
 

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