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Are we living in a new Dark Age?

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
That's a point i was about to make - it is all dependent upon electricity. Something unknown of for the vast majority of human history; something still unknown to millions of people; something generally reliant on a large, complicated and expensive infrastructure. I get that's it seems ridiculous to question the future availability of electricity but we don't know what the future holds. All of our eggs are in that IT/electricity basket.
Edit - and the sh** hits the fan if it goes. The 'we're potentially on the cusp of a dark age' scenario goes - no power/IT = no light/heating/food distribution/news; a much reduced defence, etc. Some people would cope but the majority would struggle and it would take some time for a new system to kick in.
You could also say that information & records held in data silos is a 'time capsule' just waiting for the reapplication of electricity to reveal it's secrets - solar or wind power isn't a big deal to get going and data silos generally have controlled shutdown processes so there would be little if any data loss - what there would be, is the 'dark' period where nothing is recorded due to the primary medium of almost automatic transcriptions of life being interrupted - which brings us back nicely to the OP's opening statement!
 
And there is a coherent theory as to why.

Natural selection ended for the working class ended during the industrial revolution as infant mortality dropped from 40% to 1%. Meanwhile the upper classes never had high infant mortality.

Hence while the image of a toff was of a chinless eccentric with no common sense this was probably partly due to cousin marriage and a build up of undesirable characteristics due to weak natural selection.

So the high point of our civilisation in terms of genetic health was likely around 1850. Reading the literature, whether scientific or fiction, from this period tends to bear this out. So too in terms of scientific advancement, compare such a period to now and the differences are shocking despite the advantages of massively increased scientific resources.

Especially since the advent of the NHS natural selection barely feaures at all, whether from infant or other mortality , in any class of society and therefore we see rapidly increasing cases of genetic mutations such as autism.

Tracey down the council estate wanting a braaaawn one, and one from each continent doesn't help. Nether does Trisha from HR who decides she wants children at the age of 42.

The traditional defence against such problems was religion, though autists are almost incapable of belief, which leads to people who are endlessly puppeted by Dawkins.

Genetic defects show up partly as ugliness, just look at the Welsh, though 80 odd percent of the genome relates to the brain so more so in personality disorders and thickness.

So those militant lefties howling at the moon... They're likely spiteful mutants brought on by generations of poor breeding, fatherlessness and lack of religion.
Bloody hell.
 
You could also say that information & records held in data silos is a 'time capsule' just waiting for the reapplication of electricity to reveal it's secrets - solar or wind power isn't a big deal to get going and data silos generally have controlled shutdown processes so there would be little if any data loss - what there would be, is the 'dark' period where nothing is recorded due to the primary medium of almost automatic transcriptions of life being interrupted - which brings us back nicely to the OP's opening statement!
Bloody hell
 
That's a point i was about to make - it is all dependent upon electricity. Something unknown of for the vast majority of human history; something still unknown to millions of people; something generally reliant on a large, complicated and expensive infrastructure. I get that's it seems ridiculous to question the future availability of electricity but we don't know what the future holds. All of our eggs are in that IT/electricity basket.
I remember as a kid in the 1970's that the papers used to publish details of the power cuts: whilst it would say South Durham at 7pm on Tuesday , even then you knew it was wrong.
Fast forward 40 odd years and I'm sure the sainted Jeremy can conduct a basic experiment of conduction utilising an allotment grown courgette, some wire and a light bulb.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
I remember as a kid in the 1970's that the papers used to publish details of the power cuts: whilst it would say South Durham at 7pm on Tuesday , even then you knew it was wrong.
Fast forward 40 odd years and I'm sure the sainted Jeremy can conduct a basic experiment of conduction utilising an allotment grown courgette, some wire and a light bulb.
I loved the power cuts in the '70's - it was the catalyst that got me interested in history, reading my Dad's books by candlelight and listening to him reading his research notes on the Franco-Prussian wars, with a battery-powered radio spewing the 'news' of the day in the background - it was one of those events in life where time was immaterial - like the Apollo flights & moon landings.
 
I loved the power cuts in the '70's - it was the catalyst that got me interested in history, reading my Dad's books by candlelight and listening to him reading his research notes on the Franco-Prussian wars, with a battery-powered radio spewing the 'news' of the day in the background - it was one of those events in life where time was immaterial - like the Apollo flights & moon landings.
When my daughter was at university, I used to send the odd food/voddy parcel to her: got a good deal on hand cranked Trevor Bayliss type radios so lobbed one in.
Cue the power cut, who was little miss popular with mono Sounds of the sixties...
 
Given that:
  • The amount of information already loaded onto this thread during the period of one day probably equals the amount known on any one thousand years of (say; 20, 50k) prehistory
  • And that it's mostly pretty irrelevant to the whole of that period
I reckon that the archaeologists of 3020 will be bored to the point of taking up mead-brewing as a consequence. The very best to them.
 
New rules:
1) Faith is belief without evidence.
2) Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
An interesting thread. For point 2, perhaps such an assertion can be better dismissed with evidence?
An assertion without evidence can be a theory (and should be acknowledged as such). The problem is most of us (an admitted generalization) are untrained and inexperienced in either the academic or scientific method and thus tend to record our assertions without evidence as “truth” with no rigorous testing.
 
An interesting thread. For point 2, perhaps such an assertion can be better dismissed with evidence?
An assertion without evidence can be a theory (and should be acknowledged as such). The problem is most of us (an admitted generalization) are untrained and inexperienced in either the academic or scientific method and thus tend to record our assertions without evidence as “truth” with no rigorous testing.
Hmm. I am reminded of Dr Johnson, having heard this assertion, according to Boswell. Berkeley suggested that all of our experiences were in the mind (a seductive idea). Dr Johnson‘s response was to boot a big rock until his foot hurt “I refute it thus”.
Seems like any dimwit can open their mind.
 
I loved the power cuts in the '70's - it was the catalyst that got me interested in history, reading my Dad's books by candlelight and listening to him reading his research notes on the Franco-Prussian wars, with a battery-powered radio spewing the 'news' of the day in the background - it was one of those events in life where time was immaterial - like the Apollo flights & moon landings.

Memory jog:-
In the early seventies when the country's political class had its thumb up its arse, and the unions were calling the shots, intermittent electric, shops shut, dustbin men and miners on strike, transport at a standstill, industry on short time, the military were tasked with moving coal to the power stations, my licence was upgraded from class 3 to 2, REME were fitting cages over the windscreens of our wagons, and steel plate to protect the wheels, my destination was Hackney B power station, lovely!, my home turf, and when I mentioned this to my troop officer, and the implications on my family if I was recognised, I was stood down. It all came to nothing, as the government gained control, and it reverted back to a very fragile normal.
 
Every time I see the thread title, my brain goes:

“Are we living in a land, where sex and horror are the neeew gods?”
( Dang-adang-adanggg-a-dang-adang-adanggg, a-dang-adang-adanggg a-deedle-eedle-doodle-oodle… )




*ahem*
 
In short, the digital age is in danger of losing any depth of knowlege or understanding of opposing views or differences of opinion because it isn't easily visible in a culture of 'instant results'.

Good post. Snipped for space only.

Having lost any grandiose ideas I had 25 years ago about the internet being a force for good there are a number of things that bother me.

The big one is that Wikipedia is financially weak and is permanently begging for cash. The loss of Wikipedia would be a global catastrophe. It is the largest collaborative collection of knowledge in history and it vanishing would be a tragedy.

I don't care if anyone thinks otherwise. Numerous studies have shown that on matters of science, culture, history and anything of importance it is fully correct. Well, about 99.99 anyway - there are some typographic errors in maths equations. Like 99.999 of the population would know anyway.

If your exposure to Wikipedia is stuff like "Is Robbie Williams a poof" you might think differently.

Look at something you actually know about and see if Wiki is wrong.
 
An interesting thread. For point 2, perhaps such an assertion can be better dismissed with evidence?
An assertion without evidence can be a theory (and should be acknowledged as such). The problem is most of us (an admitted generalization) are untrained and inexperienced in either the academic or scientific method and thus tend to record our assertions without evidence as “truth” with no rigorous testing.

Being a sad bastard I am trained in the scientific method and research methodology

An assertion is not a theory. An assertion without evidence is a belief. An assertion could be better dismissed with evidence but for some form of deity there is no evidence. Science has increasingly demonstrated religious beliefs to be ridiculous forcing the believers to resort to the God Of The Gaps.

You are using theory in lay terms to mean a hunch, a guess, a speculation or a belief. In science these are hypotheses, conjectures or postulates.

A theory is a very simple thing. 1) It must be falsifiable. 2) It must be based on evidence 3) It must be able to make accurate predictions. I suppose you could add 4) Must be amenable to change or rejection in the light of new evidence.

None of these apply to religious belief, which is rarely, if ever, a reasoned and asserted belief but is banged into kids at an early age.
 
The big one is that Wikipedia is financially weak and is permanently begging for cash.

The first half of this sentence is not true, although the second half is.

Net assets 2018-2019: $165,641,425

Yes, that's 165 million dollars. The Wikimedia Foundation has been taking in 10-20 million more than it spends every year for years.
 
Couldn't agree more, and when they're trying to google "power cuts" with only 2% battery remaining, no candles nor anything to read by such luminosity...
...or wanting to google, 'how do I call Mountain Rescue' on a phone, that was your sole reference of navigation, that just died because the 85% battery you had 3 minutes ago vanished because it got cold...
 
my destination was Hackney B power station, lovely!, my home turf, and when I mentioned this to my troop officer, and the implications on my family if I was recognised, I was stood down.

I am glad your Officer was allowed such discretion. If you had been a copper at that time, he would have probably just told you to get on with it.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
None of these apply to religious belief, which is rarely, if ever, a reasoned and asserted belief but is banged into kids at an early age.

As I mentioned in a previous post autism in the male population is increasing rapidly, and adult autists are nigh on incapable of religious belief. Though this is not normal.

Autists, and I include myself in this, are not the perfect genetic specimens they might like to think. Their predisposition to systemic thinking easily turns them into anti-religious bores.

Try reading just reading the first few chapters of the bible from a perspective of it describing genetic warfare. Think of the benefits to society of slow life history and coherence. Think about it systemically without focussing on the individual. Then consider how different religions describe different genetic or life history strategies all fighting for dominance given geographic and environmental constraints.

Sciencism is a key component to the dangers of a new Dark Age. Religious familes and people are happier and more successful, for instance the average IQ of fairly strict but diverse religious orders in the USA such as episcopalians, jews and mormons is considerably above the average. Their religious beliefs dictate better breeding strategies. The victorious aryan invaders to India codified their genetic interests into the caste system, which is why the Brahmin are still lighter skinned than other castes. They clearly understood the genetics and enforced dominance through religion. Meanwhile a few Indian engineering castes imported to Silicon Valley dominate the market.

On a wider note fundamentally the social contract and the sexual contract has broken down and is very likely deteriorating further. Darwin identified sexual selection, pair bonding or marriage in ther words, as the reason why we are no longer monkeys yet many modern ideologies increasingly look like anti-religions promoting a return to primate like behaviour and morals. Looking at you feminism, cultural marxism et al.
 
Whereas a crank notion like Flat earth was once confined to badly printed pamphlets, books nobody read because they were stupid and a bunch of old duffers arguing among themselves nowadays there are thousands of slickly produced videos of pseudoscientific "explanations" for the earth being flat. People read these and think "yeah, it looks flat so this must be true". Then some mong rap artist Tweets his belief and suddenly half the bloody kids in the world are Flat Earthers,

The Key Argument here is the first line. Prior to social media the requirement to get published was quite high. Even if you got all your mad theories typed out you'd still have to get it past the Editors.
Now that barrier is removed and anyone can shout into the void.

However, I don't think people are becoming stupider. I think the stupids are becoming louder, however the tens of thousands of people who go through life without thinking about the shape of the earth, don't post about it on social media, as they see no need to. This gives a disproportionate amount of exposure to the stupid theories, and they seem in the majority. Consider if you will Corbyn. and how in both his elections the Labour lot were all happy as they were certain they were going to win, and the confusion when they got the deserved thumping. How could this be, they had polled so well on social media.


I don't care if anyone thinks otherwise. Numerous studies have shown that on matters of science, culture, history and anything of importance it is fully correct. Well, about 99.99 anyway - there are some typographic errors in maths equations. Like 99.999 of the population would know anyway.

Maths and Science, IE subjects with a correct answer, I'll give you. But history is, in my experience awful. In my specialist area's there's a general miasma of confusion and inaccuracy.



On another note:
Please stop using the term Dark Age... It's really screwing with my Ego Surfing! :safe:
 
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