Are we going to see riots this summer ?

Check on the ‘charlie‘, and the IC1 - lots of east Euros on our beat (for Charlie, read Victor vodka)
We've got a couple of Eastern Europeans, but it's mostly native UK. In addition there's a bunch of Females, from Romania, I think who have minders and arrive for work driven by the blokes in BMW's. God help any of the homeless who pinch their spots (or any of the city wardens who aren't paying attention, if the blokes are having a bad day).
 
You're making stuff up again.

For clarity, I believe that an under resourced MPS and its leaders face difficult decisions every day and armchair generals or wannabe Chief Constables who pontificate from 500 miles away haven't got a clue.
The Met will be even more under-resourced if they keep making operational decisions that lead to well north of 120 coppers being injured in less than a month. This weekend's debacle was not even close to the first instance; 20 police officers were injured in exactly the same circumstances a week ago. Sent in to close down an illegal party without the PPE or numbers they needed. Pelted with bricks, bottles etc until they were forced to retreat. Only then did the so-called leaders you set so much faith in send in the heavy mob.

Einstein said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Does another under-equipped and out-numbered copper have to end up like PC Blakelock before senior officers finally realise that the softly, softly approach simply doesn't work in these type of situations? Then again, given that one of the most senior officers in the Met locked himself in a car while one of his officers was being butchered in front of his eyes, maybe they do understand the risks. And to quote the line from Shrek,

"Some of you may die. But that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make".


It doesn't take a chief constable to figure this out. It takes basic common sense. Something both you and the majority of senior police officers in this country seem to be sadly lacking in.
 
Exactly, the officer behaved like a proper professional, until the arse.ole became all arseholie – then it went pear shaped, and now the law abiding law enforcing lad is in custody (and, some might think, the a‘hole got his just deserts)
Its a lesson learned which will see the american plod adopting the risk averse policy of our plod. The only real damage will be to the black community, because the criminals will still eventually be rounded up in a 6am raid.
 
The Met will be even more under-resourced if they keep making operational decisions that lead to well north of 120 coppers being injured in less than a month. This weekend's debacle was not even close to the first instance; 20 police officers were injured in exactly the same circumstances a week ago. Sent in to close down an illegal party without the PPE or numbers they needed. Pelted with bricks, bottles etc until they were forced to retreat. Only then did the so-called leaders you set so much faith in send in the heavy mob.

Einstein said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Does another under-equipped and out-numbered copper have to end up like PC Blakelock before senior officers finally realise that the softly, softly approach simply doesn't work in these type of situations? Then again, given that one of the most senior officers in the Met locked himself in a car while one of his officers was being butchered in front of his eyes, maybe they do understand the risks. And to quote the line from Shrek,

"Some of you may die. But that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

It doesn't take a chief constable to figure this out. It takes basic common sense. Something both you and the majority of senior police officers in this country seem to be sadly lacking in.
Common sense dictates you deal with a problem as soon as possible, before it gets worse. Politics, dictate so long as the policy is keeping the word 'riot' off the BBC, its working and who cares about the decent people living in those neighbourhoods..
 
The Met will be even more under-resourced if they keep making operational decisions that lead to well north of 120 coppers being injured in less than a month. This weekend's debacle was not even close to the first instance; 20 police officers were injured in exactly the same circumstances a week ago. Sent in to close down an illegal party without the PPE or numbers they needed. Pelted with bricks, bottles etc until they were forced to retreat. Only then did the so-called leaders you set so much faith in send in the heavy mob.
That's a good question. There's 9,000 (and some change) odd Police in the Met. Another 1800 specials. So we're looking at about 11,000 coppers. Divide that by four to cover shifts, sickness and other shite, and you have 2750 odd.
No idea on the break down of specialists and "don't patrol" types. I'm guessing its like the military, with a significant chunk not on the front line. But loosing a 100 or so to riot based injuries can't be looking to happy and shiny in regards to manning.
 
You've not answered my question what would you do, take a knee then beat a hasty retreat?
When you
You've not answered my question what would you do, take a knee then beat a hasty retreat?
can be arsed
You've not answered my question what would you do, take a knee then beat a hasty retreat?
answering the Q
You've not answered my question what would you do, take a knee then beat a hasty retreat?

At pride would you expect officers to suck a cock off, before they took the knee, then beat a hasty retreat?
I originally asked before your dummy spitting began. Here:
Well done, you've posted it again. How did it end? Would you have stood your ground? I can't actually see them legging it though, all very slow.
HTH.
 
Cleverly had no idea of that woman's motives or intentions in doing what she apparently did. Another interpretation could have very different connotations.

This is what instant news does to actual, real information and history. It started in the Vietnam war and is now being seen with realtime coverage in policing incidents. @bigeye could perhaps give some 'realtime' views on it.

I tend to believe that without examination, politicians and slanted 'news' broadcasters can transmit information without a great deal of nuance and credible background to it - maybe that's what we need, but very few of those agencies were quick to examine the background of the George Floyd incident. The truth is everything.
The truth is malleable, as you're no doubt aware. Don't think anyone has anything which could be construed as being the truth about what happened just yet and that second degree murder charge didn't spring from thin air. Whether anyone is found guilty or not and whether they can get a fair trial now remains to be seen.
 
That's a good question. There's 9,000 (and some change) odd Police in the Met. Another 1800 specials. So we're looking at about 11,000 coppers. Divide that by four to cover shifts, sickness and other shite, and you have 2750 odd.
No idea on the break down of specialists and "don't patrol" types. I'm guessing its like the military, with a significant chunk not on the front line. But loosing a 100 or so to riot based injuries can't be looking to happy and shiny in regards to manning.
Times that number by three perhaps.......


And that is still not enough from what we have seen recently.
It seems that some groups are pushing at an open door these days.
 
Not trying to police by consent?

I know the reasoning behind the cuts, I know the reasons given for cutting courts and other parts of the CJS. It's been a failure and it isn't because plod attend Gay Pride events or don't alienate the public.
It's far more than just cuts that have caused a failure, as I said earlier it's a societal. A culture has been cultivated where it is absolutely not and never the perpetrator's fault they commit offences. There is always a handy get out of jail card provided by weak liberal minds that because <insert applicable> dysfunctional family/poverty/PTSD/Mental health issues/upbringing/marginalised/substance misuse (the list is endless as long as it provides an excuse) they committed the offence.

By providing criminal minded individuals with excuses for their actions they will never accept what they did was wrong, they will continue to reoffend safe with the knowledge that it isn't really their fault because some soft twat has told them it is due to there circumstances.
 
OK I will bow to your far greater police knowledge and experience. I thank you for your service.
It's not police knowledge, it's history. I'd suggest that your views are partisan, you were and are, much more likely to accept anything from the right. If I've gauged that wrong, my apologies.

Who put politics into the police?

It's ongoing and I'm in general agreement with Harriet Sergeant from Civitas on it.

Politicisation of the police is putting policing by consent at risk

We need investment in the CJS system, the courts are barely managing.
 
The Met will be even more under-resourced if they keep making operational decisions that lead to well north of 120 coppers being injured in less than a month. This weekend's debacle was not even close to the first instance; 20 police officers were injured in exactly the same circumstances a week ago. Sent in to close down an illegal party without the PPE or numbers they needed. Pelted with bricks, bottles etc until they were forced to retreat. Only then did the so-called leaders you set so much faith in send in the heavy mob.

Einstein said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Does another under-equipped and out-numbered copper have to end up like PC Blakelock before senior officers finally realise that the softly, softly approach simply doesn't work in these type of situations? Then again, given that one of the most senior officers in the Met locked himself in a car while one of his officers was being butchered in front of his eyes, maybe they do understand the risks. And to quote the line from Shrek,

"Some of you may die. But that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

It doesn't take a chief constable to figure this out. It takes basic common sense. Something both you and the majority of senior police officers in this country seem to be sadly lacking in.
You should call the Met and tell them they don't have enough resources.
 
It's far more than just cuts that have caused a failure, as I said earlier it's a societal. A culture has been cultivated where it is absolutely not and never the perpetrator's fault they commit offences. There is always a handy get out of jail card provided by weak liberal minds that because <insert applicable> dysfunctional family/poverty/PTSD/Mental health issues/upbringing/marginalised/substance misuse (the list is endless as long as it provides an excuse) they committed the offence.

By providing criminal minded individuals with excuses for their actions they will never accept what they did was wrong, they will continue to reoffend safe with the knowledge that it isn't really their fault because some soft twat has told them it is due to there circumstances.
You should have seen the reforms in planning by gove, they'd have made your head explode.
 
Highly unlikely but thank you for your input.

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They didn't involve hanging and the like. It was heading in this direction:

 
They didn't involve hanging and the like. It was heading in this direction:

Replicating the Norwegian model would probably not work in the UK unless there was a massive culture change and massive investment in more than policing and prison services.
 

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