Are we going to see riots this summer ?

Just to put this out for the forums information.

The amount of attrition on police officers for public complaints against them is something to behold. An apparently simple complaint of an officer using excessive force " in someones opinion " during an arrest can have that officer on restricted duties for a year or more whilst the investigation goes through, maybe even longer if it goes to court or the IOPC. Current record is an 11 year investigation for a death in custody where all police staff were repeatably cleared of wrong doing.

It is very easy for anyone to put an complaint in, media can be edited to a great degree and the amount of malicious complaints going ahead defies belief. The results are that you lose officers for a substantial amount of time even if the complaint proves to be crap, or they just resign through the stress of it...their team mates see this and greatly effects their will to get hands on as well.

The talk on the forum for cracking heads etc is fully understandable and the years of pussy footing about as a service due to upper managements game plan have done nothing but embolden the crims and exasperated the general public.But the dice is fully loaded against the front line officers using robust physical action and is very much in the mind of a lot of officers.
Just to reassure you, the exasperation is with senior officers, 100%. And higher, with the mayors and PCC and the government.

If you strip away everything, the government relies in extremis on the use of force to get its way, literally to maintain law and order, so that the economy can run and people can live safely.

Senior officers, judges, MPs, etc seem not to understand that, hence the seemingly naive approach to crime seen in London. It's going to get bad until someone realises the consequences of what is happening.

In terms of senior police supporting their colleagues, I recall a case from 2011: the riots had gotten to the stage where even politicians were saying 'For God's sake, restore order'. People were wondering what would happen if the police were not more assertive. Anyway, the police get assertive - in Manchester I think, a few curfew breakers on bikes run by mistake into some riot police, get a brief kicking, and are detained. Someone filmed it from a flat window. Good job, it looks like.

The next day, the news is that the officers are under investigation ; the case reported to the IPCC, etc. At that time, with public disorder being very serious, it was ridiculous. It was literally senior officers saying

'Get out there and get tough' and then letting those who were trying to restore order, get thrown under a bus.
 
So, the total for tonight in my village appears to be a bunch of loud twats forgetting to stick to their table and hugging their mates at neighbouring tables (one of which lives in my building, along with three 70+-yr olds and one grumpy git on BP meds so she'll be getting a warning order on the morrow), a bunch of muppets holding a block party where it all went wrong and they started fighting (now in police custody), some twat ripping the number plates of any car parked on his nearest street (given a good shoeing and apparently in police custody), four obvious RM pissed as twats gobbing off expletives at elevated volume through the village and taking it in turns to punch each other in the face whilst laughing like drains (all in male clothing) - doubtless some grumpy twat will phone the camp and ask for the RSM, just like last time. All hail Boris!
Boris made the mistake of relying on people's common sense.
 
As this seems to be the place for BLM stuff, Although maybe a separate thread for the BLM USA messing about is in order, as this one seems to be focusing on BLM UK?

This just came up:

Lots of Angry Blacks with guns, calling out the Angry Whites with guns.

More footage:
 

BuggerAll

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Boris made the mistake of relying on people's common sense.
I’m not sure if it is a mistake but a significant minority are incapable of behaving without a big stick being applied.

It hasn’t helped that various trouble makers have egged on the bad behaviour for political reasons.
 
As this seems to be the place for BLM stuff, Although maybe a separate thread for the BLM USA messing about is in order, as this one seems to be focusing on BLM UK?

This just came up:

Lots of Angry Blacks with guns, calling out the Angry Whites with guns.

More footage:
Bloody hell.
 

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You’re not taking into account solicitors and barristers for the defence. Paid for, more often than not with legal aid. They’ll kick the can down the road as far as they can do to ensure they wring every penny from the public purse. Not unusual for simple cases to run for up to a couple of years before resolution. In my own experience the relevant office or agency responsible for investigating complaints against police will hold off until any court case is resolved. The first thing your average scrote will do if lifted and any force is used during arrest will be to file a complaint against the officers involved. It’s gotten to the stage where local magistrate and county courts are a joke. I would recommend anyone sceptical of this spends a day at their local court. Any scepticism will soon be removed. The justice system in the U.K. is flawed and in need of serious reform in my humble opinion.
I was more concerned with the police on the front line because they are certainly not supported or backed by any of the (senior) police who will feed them happily to the courts/media/criminals purely for their own career benefit.l
 
I work in the justice system. I'd like to be able to disagree with your comments, but I can't.
You're right about what happens in court. The bottom line is money - there's pressure to keep people out of prison. Governments of all persuasions haven't wanted to create more cell capacity. Add to that some judges and JP being somewhat out of touch, and the result isn't good.

It's easy to blame the government but this is an occasion when it's true. That's not a political point - Labour would be no better, though for different reasons.

To put my point more simply, if judges started imposing longer sentences, they'd quickly be told not to, by government. Because of £.

That all said, it is still early doors for Johnson and Patel. I'd like to believe that Patel is going to change things up, but I don't know.
Can't argue with most of your post but, "if judges started imposing longer sentences, they'd quickly be told not to by government"? I would suggest that unless the government actually passed laws to that effect, the reaction of many judges would be along the lines of, "Jog on!" Judges take the independence of the judiciary rather seriously. You only have to look at Spider Woman and the rest of the Supreme Court tearing Boris a new one.
 
What you going to do about it?
Send in the cops? Because I can't see that going well. Indeed any reaction is going to end badly.
Why would they need to? This is clearly a peaceful demonstration of patriots exercising their constitutional rights.
 

ancienturion

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Why would they need to? This is clearly a peaceful demonstration of patriots exercising their constitutional rights.
SpecSavers.
 
Why would they need to? This is clearly a peaceful demonstration of patriots exercising their constitutional rights.
I know, good isn't it. Hence why I said any reaction is going to go badly, because of the double standards.

Of course Trump is going to go ballistic, and its a republican state.
 
Can't argue with most of your post but, "if judges started imposing longer sentences, they'd quickly be told not to by government"? I would suggest that unless the government actually passed laws to that effect, the reaction of many judges would be along the lines of, "Jog on!" Judges take the independence of the judiciary rather seriously. You only have to look at Spider Woman and the rest of the Supreme Court tearing Boris a new one.
That's a fair point. I think it would be more subtle - a general reminder about sentencing policy, and then if that did not work, a quiet word with the over-eager judge. 'Bad for your career, etc, old chap'.
Just my own view. I could well be wrong.
 
Why don't TSG just respond to these calls instead of getting community officers in?
95% or possibly more of this countries public order police officers, L2 PSU teams are normal cops with ongoing yearly refresher training after an initial 5 day course. Very few full time PO cops exist except for in large cities.
 
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