Are we going to see riots this summer ?

NSP

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I hope to be proven wrong, but I think the failure to engage with the local people which resulted in being bricked and running like lambs, will result in more attempts at engagement with the local people.
As long as by then the penny has dropped that when Priti goes postal it's a Bad Thing if you're a careerist and the orders go out to tool up and ensure that the only thing engaging with the applicable local people is a hefty stick about their crania.
 
Did Ms Dick ever walk the beat?
She joined the Met in '83, so she would have done her two years probation. It might be worth noting that just ten years later, she was an instructor on the Accelerated Promotion Course at Bramshill Police Collage, so it's possible she was fast-tracked herself.
 

NSP

LE
And that's another problem they've engineered into the system: fast track promotion and direct entry to Inspector.

No - get your time in as a beat and response constable and then, if you've demonstrated good performance and have the experience you can go up to specialism constable (traffic, etc.) and then, if you pass the test and have the aptitude and experience, get a promotion to sergeant. Then, if you're actually up to the job - and by this I mean a straightforward, straight-up copper and not a political and politicised martinet - you can go forward for selection, training and examination for Inspector.

And not a minute fucking sooner.
 

HHH

GCM
Hi All,

It looks like the Riot Police did turn up 20 minutes later, and stop the party.


I'm guessing they tried a "Softly softly"* approach (are we allowed to say that now?), which didn't work, so they sent in the riot squad. but the overall first impression didn't look good.

*Softly, Softly (TV series) - Wikipedia
I think you'll find that was them arriving and the other videos shows them "retreating"


 
There is a significant minority with no respect at all for the law of the land
A minority - significant or otherwise: remember that. Many, many thousands more - from lands where there are no laws - will put paid to that memory.
 
And that's another problem they've engineered into the system: fast track promotion and direct entry to Inspector.

No - get your time in as a beat and response constable and then, if you've demonstrated good performance and have the experience you can go up to specialism constable (traffic, etc.) and then, if you pass the test and have the aptitude and experience, get a promotion to sergeant. Then, if you're actually up to the job - and by this I mean a straightforward, straight-up copper and not a political and politicised martinet - you can go forward for selection, training and examination for Inspector.

And not a minute fucking sooner.
An idea so fornicating stupid even Polis Scotland wouldn't touch it with a mounted officer's, "sabre baton".
 
She joined the Met in '83, so she would have done her two years probation. It might be worth noting that just ten years later, she was an instructor on the Accelerated Promotion Course at Bramshill Police Collage, so it's possible she was fast-tracked herself.
Don't forget this course either, in 1996/97.


Phew, life in the fast lane huh?



And now back to topic, public order situations only need one thing.

Bottle.
You have either got it or you haven't.

Clearly lacking on so many levels.
 

Awol

LE
Don't forget this course either, in 1996/97.


Phew, life in the fast lane huh?



And now back to topic, public order situations only need one thing.

Bottle.
You have either got it or you haven't.

Clearly lacking on so many levels.
It’s jolly lucky then that our national broadcaster isn’t reporting on any violent mobs and the breakdown of law and order in our capital city then.

It can’t be happening then.
 

Bob65

War Hero
As long as by then the penny has dropped that when Priti goes postal it's a Bad Thing if you're a careerist and the orders go out to tool up and ensure that the only thing engaging with the applicable local people is a hefty stick about their crania.
Time to dissolve the office of Mayor. 80 seat majority. Get it done.
 
There is a significant minority with no respect at all for the law of the land. And when they won't do what they're told, you need to have sufficient muscle and testicular fortitude to make them. Sadly, the police, through no fault of the junior ranks on the ground, are rapidly losing that capability.
From the perspective of having to deal with the significant minority inside I totally agree they have no respect for anything, let alone law.

Our main advantage is there aren't civvies wielding mobile phones filming restraints, for them to then go through the MSM filter to make us look like the aggressors.

The respect thing is somewhat odd as never before has a generation banged on so much about respect. For them respect is all about when people fear them rather than what we deem respect.

Times have changed and God knows how you tackle such an entitled and lawless generation that is also willing to section 18 wounding with intent another human so freely.

I do know if they step out of line they get dropped hard and bizarrely they react well to this and soon become compliant on the wing. Brings me back to their version of respect I guess, fear of us hurting them.




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BaldBaBoon

War Hero
Just to put this out for the forums information.

The amount of attrition on police officers for public complaints against them is something to behold. An apparently simple complaint of an officer using excessive force " in someones opinion " during an arrest can have that officer on restricted duties for a year or more whilst the investigation goes through, maybe even longer if it goes to court or the IOPC. Current record is an 11 year investigation for a death in custody where all police staff were repeatably cleared of wrong doing.

It is very easy for anyone to put an complaint in, media can be edited to a great degree and the amount of malicious complaints going ahead defies belief. The results are that you lose officers for a substantial amount of time even if the complaint proves to be crap, or they just resign through the stress of it...their team mates see this and greatly effects their will to get hands on as well.

The talk on the forum for cracking heads etc is fully understandable and the years of pussy footing about as a service due to upper managements game plan have done nothing but embolden the crims and exasperated the general public.But the dice is fully loaded against the front line officers using robust physical action and is very much in the mind of a lot of officers.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
.But the dice is fully loaded against the front line officers using robust physical action and is very much in the mind of a lot of officers.
Surely the police body cameras would indicate whether a correct, if robust, approach has been made once the criminal has been advised he/she/it has broken the law?
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs
theres 4,700 of them at the last count in Glasgow, losing one is but a drop in the ocean
There will be another hundred criminal gimmegrants arriving on the next inflatable from Calais to replace the one shot.
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs

The police in White City last night, tactically retreating as usual. 7 injured.
The encouragement the scum need to disperse is the use of force, including CS gas and water cannon, and if that proves insufficient plastic bullets or whatever they used during the Northern Ireland troubles on crowds.
 
Surely the police body cameras would indicate whether a correct, if robust, approach has been made once the criminal has been advised he/she/it has broken the law?
You’re not taking into account solicitors and barristers for the defence. Paid for, more often than not with legal aid. They’ll kick the can down the road as far as they can do to ensure they wring every penny from the public purse. Not unusual for simple cases to run for up to a couple of years before resolution. In my own experience the relevant office or agency responsible for investigating complaints against police will hold off until any court case is resolved. The first thing your average scrote will do if lifted and any force is used during arrest will be to file a complaint against the officers involved. It’s gotten to the stage where local magistrate and county courts are a joke. I would recommend anyone sceptical of this spends a day at their local court. Any scepticism will soon be removed. The justice system in the U.K. is flawed and in need of serious reform in my humble opinion.
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs
Another point to this trouble is apart from the usual criminal and parasite/student scum at these illegal raves/riots you have immigrants from countries where the police do not pussyfoot about with riots and 'engagement with the community' is at the point of a gun, and anything less is seen as a total surrender. The police need to man up and fast, and if their present excuse of a leadership will not, then they should be replaced with one that will.
 

Le_addeur_noir

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On ROPs
You’re not taking into account solicitors and barristers for the defence. Paid for, more often than not with legal aid. They’ll kick the can down the road as far as they can do to ensure they wring every penny from the public purse. Not unusual for simple cases to run for up to a couple of years before resolution. In my own experience the relevant office or agency responsible for investigating complaints against police will hold off until any court case is resolved. The first thing your average scrote will do if lifted and any force is used during arrest will be to file a complaint against the officers involved. It’s gotten to the stage where local magistrate and county courts are a joke. I would recommend anyone sceptical of this spends a day at their local court. Any scepticism will soon be removed. The justice system in the U.K. is flawed and in need of serious reform in my humble opinion.
this is a deliberate undermining of the justice system, and this is a part of a wider and sinister agenda being played out by the hard left.
 
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Joshua Slocum

LE
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Surely the police body cameras would indicate whether a correct, if robust, approach has been made once the criminal has been advised he/she/it has broken the law?
A robust approach using one of these I would suggest
easy to use
silent
puts your point across without needing to raise your voice
 

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