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Are we going to see riots this summer ?

It all seems incredibly naive and smacks of fear and lack of spine by the head shed.

I wonder what message this is sending.

Image the above with the alternative. The rioting starts, they swing loose their shields and stand firm, protected from the missiles.

Don't you know? Defensive equipment is deemed threatening.

There's a reason why its called the ministry of Defence, not the Ministry of War, or the Minsitry of Remember Zanzibar.
 
What the police need are snatch squads.

A woman scorned and all that.
 

tgo

War Hero
All the retreating bollocks is just storing up problems down the line, if all you're going to do when you show up is run off, you'd be better off not going at all. All those good ol boyz from the 'hood now just think cops are pussies, and will be more emboldened next time.

If you aren't going to do the business when you roll up, don't roll up.
 
Don't you know? Defensive equipment is deemed threatening.
Nail on the head.
That it actually defends the user is very much a secondary consideration.
While plod continue to tread softly embarrassing scenes like this will continue.
They need to go in bloody hard & damn the BBC, Guardian & so on. If only their incredibly weak leadership would let them.
I dont doubt that it's what the overwhelming majority of the law abiding population would like to see.
 
All the retreating bollocks is just storing up problems down the line, if all you're going to do when you show up is run off, you'd be better off not going at all. All those good ol boyz from the 'hood now just think cops are pussies, and will be more emboldened next time.

If you aren't going to do the business when you roll up, don't roll up.

Those young guns on the estates must be pissing themselves - they've quite literally got the police running scared.

And agree with above - put up or don't even bother turning up.
 
  1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
  2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
  3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
  4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
  5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
  6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
  7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
  8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
  9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
Well three out of nine isn't bad?
 

NSP

LE
we wouldn't have the prospect of more footage of our "brave boys in blue" running away.
Ironic that they're usually seen legging it in bright yellow jackets.
 
Don't you know? Defensive equipment is deemed threatening.

It would be nice if you were being sarcastic, but that is precisely what some senior, "police officers" believe.

A mate of mine serves with Polis Scotland's Public Support Unit. His mob were on duty at an Old Firm match, and the Gold Commander ordered them not to wear Battle Bowlers because it looked too aggressive. Of course, the inevitable happened and bottles etc started getting chucked at rival fans and the coppers trying to keep them apart.

Apparently there was a debrief after the operation, and the PSU boys made their feelings about the Gold Commander extremely clear. ;)
 
All the retreating bollocks is just storing up problems down the line, if all you're going to do when you show up is run off, you'd be better off not going at all. All those good ol boyz from the 'hood now just think cops are pussies, and will be more emboldened next time.

If you aren't going to do the business when you roll up, don't roll up.
Pandoras Box, the djinn in a bottle, or even a child given boundaries and then routinely allowed to exceed that redline and you will rue the day.. Psychologically, the young kids in London and other towns, are adjusting to the new reality and the plod have inadvertently shifted what is allowable by inaction and weakness.

The spark, may well be a smaller party that the police are able to initially curtail, but then via mobile, some local gang chooses to intervene and a real riot explodes and the first police officer to die will be a martyr to the stupidity of the senior officers.
 
All the retreating bollocks is just storing up problems down the line, if all you're going to do when you show up is run off, you'd be better off not going at all. All those good ol boyz from the 'hood now just think cops are pussies, and will be more emboldened next time.

If you aren't going to do the business when you roll up, don't roll up.
Can't see the CRS ever doing that.

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Can't see the CRS ever doing that.

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It will never happen, because the government lacks both the money and the intestinal fortitude. But the UK could do with it's own version of the CRS; a national, paramilitary force - not service - that can go in hard and crack heads when the police lack the numbers etc.

But like I said, that will never happen. Apart from anything else, senior coppers might be useless at protecting the public, but they are bloody good at defending their own turfs.
 

Awol

LE
It will never happen, because the government lacks both the money and the intestinal fortitude. But the UK could do with it's own version of the CRS; a national, paramilitary force - not service - that can go in hard and crack heads when the police lack the numbers etc.

But like I said, that will never happen. Apart from anything else, senior coppers might be useless at protecting the public, but they are bloody good at defending their own turfs.
Or magicking up dozens of officers in riot gear to surround three white blokes who turned up to protect the Cenotaph.
 
How about a scoring system for the police, based upon Peels Principles.
Each point is worth two points, with the "lack of crime" one worth four.
Each year police chief is scored on that. For ones that can never be proved or disproved you get half a point. For example: If your crime numbers are low you get all four points, and you'll always get two points for being civilians in uniform.

If you fall below a set number, on any one year, you get an invite to the Home Secretary's office for an interview without coffee.
If you fail three years in a row, you get hoofed.
 

tgo

War Hero
How about a scoring system for the police, based upon Peels Principles.
Each point is worth two points, with the "lack of crime" one worth four.
Each year police chief is scored on that. For ones that can never be proved or disproved you get half a point. For example: If your crime numbers are low you get all four points, and you'll always get two points for being civilians in uniform.

If you fall below a set number, on any one year, you get an invite to the Home Secretary's office for an interview without coffee.
If you fail three years in a row, you get hoofed.
Email it to all those wonderful PCC's they'll like that :D
 

b_flat

Old-Salt
Hi All,

It looks like the Riot Police did turn up 20 minutes later, and stop the party.


I'm guessing they tried a "Softly softly"* approach (are we allowed to say that now?), which didn't work, so they sent in the riot squad. but the overall first impression didn't look good.

*Softly, Softly (TV series) - Wikipedia
 
Hi All,

It looks like the Riot Police did turn up 20 minutes later, and stop the party.


I'm guessing they tried a "Softly softly"* approach (are we allowed to say that now?), which didn't work, so they sent in the riot squad. but the overall first impression didn't look good.

*Softly, Softly (TV series) - Wikipedia

Commander: "Ok officers, we're sending you to a call out, that we think will need about twenty of you as there maybe a bit of a disturbance, like there has been for the last few weeks, every time we've tried this in fact."

PC: "If it needs twenty officers, where's our back up? The big hairy types with shields, helmets and batons? what if they come at us with swords again?"

Commander: "Oh they're not needed, after all you're only going up agaisnt a pissed off mob, with height advantage and a ready supply of projectiles. I'm sure your baseball caps and their natural respect for your position will enable you to disperse them."
 

NSP

LE
Hi All,

It looks like the Riot Police did turn up 20 minutes later, and stop the party.


I'm guessing they tried a "Softly softly"* approach (are we allowed to say that now?), which didn't work, so they sent in the riot squad. but the overall first impression didn't look good.

*Softly, Softly (TV series) - Wikipedia
Enough of the kid gloves! One warning to disperse on the loud hailer and then, if order ignored, "Orgreave" it - pick helves across nappers from the mounted position whilst at the gallop.

Rinse and repeat until the country's oiks, yobs and political extremists have got the message - whether they check voicemail or not.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
You're going to rapidly run out of suitable coppers once the very senior officers, the IPCC, the 'community leaders' and the lawyers get involved.
They're next on the list!
 

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