Are there any pacifists here?

#1
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum? I certainly am one now, after a pretty poor holiday to Bosnia in 95.

I do support our troops 110% and what they are doing, but would like to see a world at peace, something we strived for in the former Yugoslavia, and my grandparents in the 1914-18 and 1938-45 unpleasantness. Not forgetting our current engagements.
 
#2
Some Greek philosopher said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

Human nature, I'm afraid. As long as there are people who can hold some kind of weapon, there will always be wars.
 
#3
I think my Granddad was out in the Pacific during the 2nd World War.
 

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#5
Werewolf said:
Some Greek philosopher said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

Human nature, I'm afraid. As long as there are people who can hold some kind of weapon, there will always be wars.
That would be Plato old boy.

 
#6
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
 
#7
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
 
#8
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
Most of the funerals in the last twenty years I've been to have been for very young soldiers; the sad nature of war dictates that those fighting and dying tend to be young

"They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old..."

It will never change.
 
#9
rampant said:
Werewolf said:
Some Greek philosopher said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

Human nature, I'm afraid. As long as there are people who can hold some kind of weapon, there will always be wars.
That would be Plato old boy.

Thanks; I was too "tired and emotional" to remember(three day weekend, and I don't intend to be sober for any one of them).
 
#10
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
I rest my case.

Much as I agree with some of what you say, this ain't the right forum, bud. Good luck. Out.
 
#11
sfub said:
Most of the funerals in the last twenty years I've been to have been for very young soldiers; the sad nature of war dictates that those fighting and dying tend to be young

"They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old..."

It will never change.
Sadly true. I wish they would up the combat age to 21, ok so we start losing 21 year olds, and 'no' its totally impracticle and unworkable, but at least they would have lived a bit.
 
#12
I am a rabid pass-a-fist. Thanks for asking.
 
#13
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
I rest my case.

Much as I agree with some of what you say, this ain't the right forum, bud. Good luck. Out.
You are probably right, probably the worst place to put this up. But again, just for the record, I totally support our troops on tours at the moment.
 
#14
Werewolf said:
Some Greek philosopher said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

Human nature, I'm afraid. As long as there are people who can hold some kind of weapon, there will always be wars.
Zakly wot 'e sed!
 
#15
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
I rest my case.

Much as I agree with some of what you say, this ain't the right forum, bud. Good luck. Out.
You are probably right, probably the worst place to put this up. But again, just for the record, I totally support our troops on tours at the moment.
Attributed to Voltaire, but actually from a biographer of the Frog,

"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend unto the death your right to say it"
 
#16
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum? I certainly am one now, after a pretty poor holiday to Bosnia in 95.

I do support our troops 110% and what they are doing, but would like to see a world at peace, something we strived for in the former Yugoslavia, and my grandparents in the 1914-18 and 1938-45 unpleasantness. Not forgetting our current engagements.
I think "pacifist" is one of those wishy washy words that mean something slightly different to each individual.

If a pacifist is a person who thinks you should never defend yourself, I'm definitely out

If a pacifist is a person who believes peaceful means to settlement should be tried before fighting, I could go along with that

If you are a pacifist who believes peace can never come out of war, I can't go along with that.

If you think a pacifist is a person with a moral view they should not kill anybody else, I can respect that, and many have served over history and earned bravery awards. Padres can fit that bill, also those who rescue and treat the wounded etc., I can respect that. One such was an old friend years ago who was a german jew, and was interned before joining the Pioneers, where he was rather unreasonably issued with his paybook with his old german name and his anglicised name together. Having lost all his family to the gas chambers, he reacted by wanting to do what he could to help the war effort, but didn't want to compromise his religious beliefs by killing.

If a pacifist is a person who thinks you should never use violence towards anyone else, I'm out.

If a pacifist just lives in cloud cuckoo land and believed if everyone "agreed" to disarm, the world would be wonderful, I'd try to find him a safe home in a nuthouse.

In my view loads of people may call themselves such, but are not pacifists in any true sense - just look at the violence on demonstrations! Many just seem to jump onto an "antiwar" bandwagon, not helping to resolve any issues to prevent wars, but just basically having an anarchistic stab at society, where they see uniforms opf any kind as "the enemy".
 
#17
sfub said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
I rest my case.

Much as I agree with some of what you say, this ain't the right forum, bud. Good luck. Out.
You are probably right, probably the worst place to put this up. But again, just for the record, I totally support our troops on tours at the moment.
Attributed to Voltaire, but actually from a biographer of the Frog,

"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend unto the death your right to say it"
Yup, just not in the Naafi :)
 
#19
chalice said:
sfub said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
chalice said:
Spot_the_Dog said:
I was wondering if there were any pacifists on this forum?
Bud, can you define 'pacifist'?
Or what it means to you, exactly?
It may just help you not to be publicly shagged sideways with the jagged end of a ragman's bugle...
Or not, as the case may be.
Oh right.. well I mean I know as a former soldier war was our trade, that's not in question. What my outlook now is a different approach, i.e why not negotiate with the taliban? Or even Osama? Ok they may be fanatics who just will not reason, but aren't we just as fanatical at killing them? It just seems a strange world we live in, 5000 children die every day from hunger and starvation, and yet we launch a massive 'war on terror' for 3000 office workers killed in a day.

but like I said, I 110% support our troops, and they are my primary concern. We seem to be losing alot of 18 year old soldiers at the moment, and you can hardly say 'they lived.' It's so completely tragic.
I rest my case.

Much as I agree with some of what you say, this ain't the right forum, bud. Good luck. Out.
You are probably right, probably the worst place to put this up. But again, just for the record, I totally support our troops on tours at the moment.
Attributed to Voltaire, but actually from a biographer of the Frog,

"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend unto the death your right to say it"
Yup, just not in the Naafi :)
Good point.

Ram it, you hermer!

See? back to normal.
 
#20
tom_dkg said:
If a pacifist is a person who believes peaceful means to settlement should be tried before fighting, I could go along with that
That's what I meant!! :)

Very well written by the way!
 
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