Are NHS workers paid fairly?

Are the NHS paid enough

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 35.2%
  • No

    Votes: 33 31.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 8 7.6%
  • They are paid fairly according to what they are worth...

    Votes: 27 25.7%

  • Total voters
    105
The basic question, are NHS workers really paid enough for what they are worth, considering if it paid for from the public purse AND there are options for them to outsource their skills internationally?

My idea for the NHS is it's not supposed to be luxury, it's basic free treatment for people as and when needed, it's quite an annoyance people whom don't pay into private health insurance whinge about something free and given on a plate, especially from people who don't pay f*ck all tax into the system because they are low paid workers or live on workers.

We all know when we pursue a career roughly how much we're going to get especially in the forces how our career path will take us depending on our skills, in the NHS like the Army your paid according to your worth, a Sergeant is paid more than an Platoon officer of say a rank of Lt because obviously a good SNCO takes longer to train up and test their skills blah blah blah irrelevant.

Core question is, are people who choose to work in the public health sector entitled to whinge?

Another question, peole are saying the NHS should be paid more... and that money has to come from the public purse
 
it's quite an annoyance people whom don't pay into private health insurance
I'll stop you there. The majority of people who have private health insurance (in UK) don't pay into it but get it as a perk. Similarly, the majority of people who use the NHS pay into it. Some get more than their money's worth, some are lucky in other respects.

As regards NHS wages, I'd say that the majority get a reasonable wage in ordinary circumstances while some get paid more than they deserve (I'm thinking of some consultants who have a private practice on the side and some non-medical staff). In extraordinary circumstances, such as we currently have, where they are at increased personal risk, a bonus wouldn't be amiss.
 

Mr Tweedy

Old-Salt
WTAF are you asking?
On the one hand , the thread title is a fairly straightforward question, but then you get in to a whole load of incoherent waffle that makes it very difficult to understand your point.

less sauce, more logic, old chap.
 
Most of the people clamouring for NHS workers to be paid more do not understand two things:

1. There is no magic money tree - the money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is increasing taxation or reducing spending elsewhere. We already have a very punitive taxation regime in the UK - raising it higher will kill the economy. There is no fat in the public system - everything of use has been hollowed out, and the same left leaning types who want more money for the NHS wouldn't tolerate cutting things such as welfare.

2. The NHS has an almighty social media and messaging campaign, backed heavily by the left. They maintain a permanent facade of crisis, no matter how healthy a budget they get.

If people want NHS workers to be paid better, it'll have to come from within. My suggestion is to get rid of all of the yoghurt knitting crap that the NHS doesn't need, such as several layers of management and political positions like 'Diversity Officers', as well as dispensing with those on obscene wages at the top. Secondly, anything that isn't essential to preventing mortality goes, such as IVF, Sex changes, gastric bands and cosmetic surgery for those who haven't been disfigured/have actual illnesses. Lastly, non-UK citizens who can travel abroad to get treatment get nothing. Those who haven't got insurance get sent a large bill afterwards.

The NHS is there to stop people from dying, not as a veritable buffet for all who fancy it.
 
WTAF are you asking?
On the one hand , the thread title is a fairly straightforward question, but then you get in to a whole load of incoherent waffle that makes it very difficult to understand your point.

less sauce, more logic, old chap.
Ok, keeping it simple, are they paid enough?
 
NHS workers know what their pay scales will be on joining thus their pay is fair, otherwise why accept the pay offered?
Now the question "Are they worth more?" Then of course they are. But we have to be wary of allowing our emotions to be the drivers of any reward. It would be a very costly effort to give everyone a decent pay rise, probably a massive tax hike. :cool:
 
“Are NHS Workers Paid Fairly?”
I would suggest that if they are paid into their nominated bank accounts in a fair and legal manner, then yes, they’re paid fairly.

If your question is, “Are NHS Staff Paid Enough, Taking Account of the Current CV Pandemic, Commensurate With the Risks Involved and the Threat (Perceived or Otherwise,) to Their Life,” then I’d say, “I’m not sure, I need more information.”
 
I was diagnosed with skin cancer and invalided out of the Services last year. My treatment from the NHS has generally been brilliant at specialist centres; at general hospitals, less so (dont got to Watford General if you can avoid it).

However, getting back to the original post. Although I get medical insurance through my employer, it doesn't cover pre existing conditions. I would never be able to get health insurance, and even though I am well paid, I still could not afford the treatment that I have received.

NHS clinical and nursing staff paid enough? I would argue that professionally qualified nurses and not paid enough, Given the the extensive training and now much wider responsibilities that they carry on a ward. Does the NHS need good managers and good leaders? Yes it does; should they paid them well ? Yes they should.
 
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I think they do, you dont tend to hear them moaning about pay. I have never heard from any friends in the NHS complain about their low pay.

Must be lots of overtime if there is a shortage of staff (if thats your thing). A good pension scheme, great healthcare package even if its DIY! Plus a good trade to assist you to emigrate to other places if you want to explore the world.
 
Both myself and the long haired General work for the NHS. Are we paid enough for what we do.. Honestly, No we aren't.

The NHS needs to be streamlined, a long hard look at the bureaucracy and Non jobs that do not support the frontline medical side of things need to be slashed, bring back matrons to run wards, not "Ward managers" with feck all experience of nursing.

I could have a full on rant about what is buggered within the NHS but I don't have the time and there isn't enough room on this thread.
 
Do not be fooled into believing that nurses are paid terribly because it simply isn't true. My missus is a band 6 working part time (8 days a month) and still takes home a LCpl wage.

Could they be paid more? Certainly, but then so could every other frontline public sector worker.

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The NHS needs to be streamlined, a long hard look at the bureaucracy and Non jobs that do not support the frontline medical side of things need to be slashed, bring back matrons to run wards, not "Ward managers" with feck all experience of nursing.

Exactly what my auntie (a retired nurse) used to say.

What people need to realise, is that the people we give OUR money to, are bad at managing it.

Government, councils, NHS managers, don't produce anything, they just re distribute our hard earned, usually starting at the top and working they're way down.

Indian space ship to the moon anyone?

If one thing comes out of this, I hope it is that we finally realise who is important. Bin men, nurses, doctors, teachers, truck drivers etc. Who is not important, politicians, councillors, footballers, people who sing and dance, etc etc.

Now my blood pressure is up, I'm going back to bed!
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
Ok, keeping it simple, are they paid enough?
Do you mean cleaners, nurses, secretaries, heads of purchasing, trust managers, trust chairmen, diversity officers, or people who counsel unsuccessful job applicants? Please be clear?
 
Ok, keeping it simple, are they paid enough?
Too simple is the issue with your question as it entirely depends on how far up or down you are in the multi-strata food-chain of the complex NHS pay-rolls & job functions...which will also vary from county to county I'd have thought.
 
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Slime

LE
Do you mean cleaners, nurses, secretaries, heads of purchasing, trust managers, trust chairmen, diversity officers, or people who counsel unsuccessful job applicants? Please be clear?

The point you make is lost on many :)

Some political parties have spent years bemoaning the rich and calling for a living wage, and claim the NHS is in crisis all year round.

The NHS on the other hand give raises to trust heads and barely touch the wages of their lowest paid employees :)
 
Firstly - how can you expect people to give an answer to this unless you give pay scales and what each worker does.

For example an NHS manager - that sits in an office most of the day getting paid £xxx per hour....does exactly what?

Then there's a cleaner - in general sweeping up in a hospital - and a cleaner sweeping up inside a school - is still just sweeping up - what do they each get paid???
 
I would readdress the OP and ask for a definition of 'fairly'? For example, 'fair' and 'equal' are often confused, but both tend to be 'relative' and are thus different in time and space.
 

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