Are British police incompetent?

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Recently shown on TV was a video where US police surrounded a car then started firing through the windows. Cue policemen running away as they realised that they were shooting at each other.

The driver (who was killed - hardly surprising given the hail of bullets) hadn't put up any sort of resistance other than to fail to stop when requested. The "chase" (seemingly at speeds of up to 10mph) was nothing less than spectacular - the driver even stopped at red lights.

I suspect that Trip_Wire would have been embarrassed at their performance.
 
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At least US cops have guns and can tell the muzzle from the trigger unlike the bobbies in the UK.
 
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I beleive that retard trying to shoot a snake out of a tree deserves to have one put in the back of his skull for killing a five year old. However the way your going about posting that story in a tit for tat exchange is also a tad bit uncouth. Its one thing to use a retard shooting himself in the foot, but its a bit sad that your going to use the death of a 5 year old to try to prove a point.
 
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Take your point and I apologise for any insensitivity.

My intention was to remind everyone that no single incident should necessarily tar the remaining individuals with the same brush.

We can all recall incidents this side of the pond (Brazillian electrician; copper shot on the ranges by a colleague etc etc) but it seems that the Colonies have similar incidents occurring every day. I accept that this is likely to be because of the high number of armed officials with a higher potential for genuine accidents. BUT it would appear to be that there is a frighteningly higher proportion of 'errors of judgement'.

However, working in law enforcement in a country where every member of the public has access to concealable shooters means that EVERY interaction between them has a potential 'tits up' factor built in from the start! Therefore, I fully respect the desire to play safe and empty a mag at the first sign of trouble. I bloody would!

I'm not attempting to bait, although on reflection I seem to have risen to the bait in the original post. Doh!
 
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Yes I agree freedom, incidents like this happen all the time all over the place. Yes human judgement (or lack thereof) is the reason why alot of these things happen. However the DEA guy was classic.
 
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Judging from threads such as this www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/...28#1493864 and not trying to create a controversy where none exists, if the cops in Britain can't be trusted to handle a simple pistol without causing themselves irreparable harm, who can be?

Boggles the mind. Really does.
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So, DD, one Cop has an ND and the other 240,000 or so are incompetent? The law of averages means that if you give a fallible human a gun there will be ND's. If a squaddie has an ND does that mean his whole unit are crap? No, of course not. So what exactly is the point of your post?
 
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Gelert said

So, DD, one Cop has an ND and the other 240,000 or so are incompetent? The law of averages means that if you give a fallible human a gun there will be ND's. If a squaddie has an ND does that mean his whole unit are crap? No, of course not. So what exactly is the point of your post?
None I suppose. Not trying to paint all the coppers with too broad a brush but it just seems to me, in all my ignorance, that in this day and age not to arm law enforcement officers as a general rule is rather taking it beyond the pale.

Maybe gun crime is not too much of a problem in London (and for that congratulations) but for safety's sake, shouldn't the police have some kind of firearms's training as a matter of routine?
 
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LJONESY said:
However the DEA guy was classic.
I guess my questions would be:

1. Why had he got live ammo there in the first place?
2. Why did he not ensure [properly] that the pistol was unloaded?
3. Who was using his brain that day?

I used to run a lot of courses involving handguns ... starting with a 5 minute safety exercise ensuring that all live rounds were under MY control, behind the desk, and that every student checked his buddies' pistols for his OWN safety [= make them worry about safety]. I also used a white metal Browning or Colt replica as my training aid, shown clearly to the students as such so they knew the thing pointing around the room was harmless.

However, the phrase "familiarity breeds contempt" is appropriate. 8)
 
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Possible answers for blue..

1. To drop the hammer on any unsuspecting dealer...... Ya never know when your classroom setting might go astray.... Seriously I have no clue why he would be bring live rounds into a setting like that...

2. Your right he was to cocky and did not check to ensure that the weapon was unloaded, thank christ he shot himself rather than a student.

3. I believe he donated his Brain to the Nebraska Cornhuskers, he def deserves the N for knowledge that day.
 
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Generally British Police are poor, however there are some good coppers out there, but too few to make a difference.

I have alot of respect for the N. American Police forces as they do appear to Police correctly.

Possibly one of the few things the Brits could learn from this side of the Atlantic.
 

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dingerr said:
Generally British Police are poor, however there are some good coppers out there, but too few to make a difference.

I have alot of respect for the N. American Police forces as they do appear to Police correctly.

Possibly one of the few things the Brits could learn from this side of the Atlantic.
WTF have you been smoking :D
 
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Alsacien said:
dingerr said:
Generally British Police are poor, however there are some good coppers out there, but too few to make a difference.
I have alot of respect for the N. American Police forces as they do appear to Police correctly.
Possibly one of the few things the Brits could learn from this side of the Atlantic.
WTF have you been smoking :D
I watch quite a lot of "Cops" on Sky [as there's sod all on the other channels, and it's even worse when I'm in the USA] 8O

These show the edited "highlights" ... which are often massively embarrassing.

How many policemen does it take to apply handcuffs to a prone suspect who is not resisting? Often 3 or 4, after a lot of effort.

How many police cars does it take to block a road junction? Anything up to 10, and it still doesn't work.
 
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DD:

I see you're at it again! :roll:

We can all google up cases of AD's and ND's, all over the world in the military, police and civilian (Where allowed) communities of the world.

The fact is, that no matter what the personnel selection, safety measures, training levels, etc. are their will always be such incidents where loaded weapons are carried and handled on a daily basis.

To judge any organization on the basis of one incident is ridiculous.

I have the highest regard of the police service of the UK. After all, many aspects of their police methods and organization were adopted by early American Police services, particularly in the large East coast cities, like NY.

The fact that the Brits choose to only selectively arm their police, is their business, based on their culture and history. I have every confidence, that those who are armed in the UK, are highly trained and are proficient with the weapon they are issued, before they are allowed to carry it on duty.

That said, please remember we are dealing with humans and human nature, Humans make mistakes, have mind farts and generally tend to screw up on occasion, no matter how well trained or 'elite' they might be.

I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here again because it was brought up here.

Any military or police person who is carrying a modern DA semi-automatic pistol like the Glock, HK, SIG, etc. without placing a round in the chamber IMHO is rendering that pistol into being useless, in any incident where he has to respond to a threat. These weapons, unlike some of the older weapons, were designed to be carried in that mode and the training of individuals being armed with these weapons, should also reflect that.

BTW: I see no need to turn this thread into another slagging match between the USA and the Brits. :wink:
 
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No, just marginally more competent than our criminals....
 

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