Are 1 in 7 thinking of leaving?

Are you thinking of leaving?

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  • Yes

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#2
COS1SigBde said:
Simple poll - are you thinking of leaving?
Do you think it will do any good. I mean, there's no such thing as a 'simple poll'. Is there a fair representitive group of TA soldiers on ARRSE? Are visitors to ARRSE who are TA more or less likley to answer the question one way or the other?

We all get the 'results' from unspecified and unrepresentitive polls 'proving' one strange thing or another. But to be any real worth they have to be a poll of several thousand people. The results only prove the opinion of the people polled and nothing concrete as some people may have a reason to want to make the poll look one way or the other, not care and answer any way just to get away or not want to answer accuratly so as not to seem stupid, criminal or bigoted.

Online polls are even less accurate as you can't even prove the independance of the poll or that one person doesn't poll several times using different ISPs.
 
#3
I plan to do a tour after uni then leave to concentrate on joining the full time police. Would stay in if I could but am being realistic about my time commitments especially during my training period.
 
#4
I'm planning to leave anyway, not because I dislike the TA for any reason, quite the opposite - I enjoyed it too much to simply let it be something I could only do on a part-time basis, hence I'm applying for a commission with the Royal Marines. I also didn't find it as challenging as I thought it would be and maybe this is an issue worth considering, that some people join up because they see it as a challenge?

Too many factors to consider given that everyone has their own reasons for leaving / staying / joining et cetera, just giving my own.
 
#7
Its about time you got a life and stopped following me around this forum with your witty remarks. There is no need for it i thought the army was supposed to be one big happy family, how wrong you can be.

I only posed a question which i am quite entitled to do.
 
#9
Been in the TA since 1980 both ranks and commissioned, done operational tours, been mucked about, cheesed off, laughed so much it hurt, made and kept some of the best mates ever, lost contact with more people than can remember, whinged about it , praised it but I'm still here. It's the Army TA or REG people come and go, for whatever reason. If you join the TA now you will go on operations and a lot of people are joining it for that reason. If thats not your thing then just go and leve the rest of us to carry on enjoying what we get paid for!
 
#10
1stgulfmac said:
If you join the TA now you will go on operations and a lot of people are joining it for that reason. If thats not your thing then just go and leve the rest of us to carry on enjoying what we get paid for!
Yes, because it will be for the better when the TA is composed entirely of dolewallahs, students and binmen
 
#11
clownbasher said:
1stgulfmac said:
If you join the TA now you will go on operations and a lot of people are joining it for that reason. If thats not your thing then just go and leve the rest of us to carry on enjoying what we get paid for!
Yes, because it will be for the better when the TA is composed entirely of dolewallahs, students and binmen
As opposed to who, spotters, poofs and wannabe's ?

The unemployed make good attenders because they need the money, students turn up to use the showers and what's wrong with binmen you snobby tool. This is the TA not the f*cking masons, if the persons willing to give it a go and up for it why does it matter what he does in the real world.
Don't try your hand at recruiting, its probably not your strong point....
 
#12
delberto said:
clownbasher said:
1stgulfmac said:
If you join the TA now you will go on operations and a lot of people are joining it for that reason. If thats not your thing then just go and leve the rest of us to carry on enjoying what we get paid for!
Yes, because it will be for the better when the TA is composed entirely of dolewallahs, students and binmen
As opposed to who, spotters, poofs and wannabe's ?

The unemployed make good attenders because they need the money, students turn up to use the showers and what's wrong with binmen you snobby tool. This is the TA not the f*cking masons, if the persons willing to give it a go and up for it why does it matter what he does in the real world.
Don't try your hand at recruiting, its probably not your strong point....
clownbasher i think you should just shorten your username to clown because you are one.
 
#13
Two good bites!

What I meant is that the TA needs good people from all sorts of backgrounds. Students incidentally are no use in 1stgulfmac's scheme of things as they can't be mobilised. There are issues with the way in which the TA is now being used which can make continued membership very difficult for those with good jobs or families. If all this was to drive away those people it would not be the best thing for the TA, firstly because it would cut down on the pool of people and secondly because it would no longer have the calibre of people it needs.
 
#14
clownbasher said:
Two good bites!
Yep but our window cleaner has managed to get out of everything. Students and Dolewallahs are good for my units role, as are the married (with kids) but its changing again to favour the low paid. Why should that be at the expense of those with jobs, who are normally more able.

So if Durka Durkastan does something tommorrow it will take 2 weeks to mobilise me, although I'd be ready to go within minutes, instead a dolewallah goes, reinforcing the STAB stereo type.
 
#15
Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the poll, the results are quite interesting.

Clownbasher has a point, which has been similarly aired elsewhere on other threads, but again suggests that the post rebalancing TA will be made up of mobilisation junkies.

Either way, the NAOs report of 1 in 7 would seem to be rather optimistic if this polls results are anything to go by.
 
#17
My view is that it's too early to see what FAS actually means. Behind all the hype and pretty brochures (got mine, one way to say fcuk all I suppose) is a lack of detail as to how the individual will be affected. Only when that is clear will soldiers vote - with their feet or otherwise.

Really though, behind all the canteen commando " One tour, I've done two" "Two tours, I've done three - with my hair on fire" - "Hair on fire ? REMF were you ?" macho body part waving it's quite simple. If FAS increases the time demands on the individual we will lose people - the bigger the increase, the more people we lose.

Any significant increase will in my view render membership of the TA incompatible with a full time job and a family. The implications of that are no doubt more complex than a first examination would suggest, but it cannot be a good thing. After all, if you want to spend most of your time in green why not join the regs and get a pension ? It will also render the TA incapable of acting as a training organisation. If that seems alarmist, just do a quick poll of the soldiers who keep that side of things running. They're older, have steady jobs and families. Lose them and who's left to step up ?
 
#18
Question was - thinking about leaving?

The answer has got to be yes for more than 1 in 7. Any poll or survey would return me as a satisfied soldier, FFR and bounty fit, course trained and op tour experienced. That would take me out of the 'thinking about leaving' category the NAO would identify but I am thinking about it.

Will FAS fundamentally change the way the organisation works? will I get the next promotion / posting instead of the knobber who's been in 5 minutes? Will my civilian situation change so that I can't dedicate the same amount of time to the TA? These and many other questions only have to be answered the wrong way and my kit is in a bin bag outside the Qs and a letter is winging it's way to the CO.

The fact is that apart from the cash and the sense of reward/belonging we get from being in the TA there is nothing keeping us in beyond the next payslip. Any one of us who isn't sitting on a brown envelope could jack it in at a moments notice. There is no pension or contract to worry about and once the dissatisfied soldier is gone it is very hard to get them back in even if you want to.

Tinkering with the details that make up the TA package runs the risk of exposing it as a house of cards. We can already see effects of an unsustainable mobilisation policy on retention. As OOTS says it is too early to see the detailed ramifications of TA FAS and there may be many positives. But yet again it will be the TA middle management who are required to make a silk purse out of a sows ear and turn out battle ready trained soldiers from an ever decreasing recruiting pool with minimal resources.
 
#19
Blyth_spirit said:
But yet again it will be the TA middle management who are required to make a silk purse out of a sows ear and turn out battle ready trained soldiers from an ever decreasing recruiting pool with minimal resources.
That'll be the TA middle management which we seem least able to retain?

msr
 
#20
Thinking about it, looking back on all my camp pictures ( careful ) all the guys still in the TA from the last few years are all the ones who made it to lance jack, a few seniors have gone or moved onto better things ( polar :p ) but the majority of soldiers who have left were the young ones who never got a chance at promotion or never finished a recruits course. Some left to join the regs of course, the question is do people leave becuase they do not want to be the lowest rank in the army > And if so are we better off without that class of soldier
 

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