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Posted here because I'm assuming the answer's probably obvious and thus the quezzie might be bone, but amongst any probably warranted hectoring I'd quite like to know the actual answer.

Why does military parachuting require an arduous course as preparation?
 
#2
Dunno. Didn't the French end up dropping guys by parachute into Dien Bien Phu during the siege with no training whatsoever and they suffered no more drop injuries than their trained para battalions? So it can't be because of that element.
 
#3
Dunno. Didn't the French end up dropping guys by parachute into Dien Bien Phu during the siege with no training whatsoever and they suffered no more drop injuries than their trained para battalions? So it can't be because of that element.
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Maybe because the amount of gear you have to carry, espescially when the drops aren't accurate?

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#5
Because if your 20 stone and got the lungs of a hamster you may have a job tabbing off a dz?
 
#6
It's because when they aren't leaping out of aircraft they have fuck all to do except run around carrying logs and swinging about like chimps on ropes and stuff.
 
#7
It's all part of the romance. Deep at heart, these chaps are very sensitive.
 
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#8
Can I take it that it's the role of para trained types that require it then, rather than the actual jumping bit?
 

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#12
Posted here because I'm assuming the answer's probably obvious and thus the quezzie might be bone, but amongst any probably warranted hectoring I'd quite like to know the actual answer.

Why does military parachuting require an arduous course as preparation?
Because you need to do the course to wear the badge and you get to call everybody else hat.
 
#13
[Wah shield up] The reasoning goes that a paratrooper has to carry more kit; can only move on foot once he's on the ground; has to move quickly from the DZ to the battle quickly to take advantage of maximum surprise; and may be dropped behind enemy lines and have to hold the objective whilst waiting for a link up or relief in place or have to fight from a hot DZ. However, this doesn't actually differ that much from either the non-parachute trained air assault battalions in 16 AA Bde, or even from any other light infantry battalion. One could argue that any light infantry battalion could do the role if it was just about aggression and fitness-the US Army, and I think our own in WW2, don't have any particularly strenuous or exceptional selection course. Also by this line of reasoning it would seem illogical to put all CS and CSS troops through the course when many of them would never actually have to jump.

However, the benefit of P Coy is in less tangible terms-giving the men of 16 Bde a common hurdle to pass and hence a sense of pride and elitism that every man has done so (although the truth is, of course, that many in 16 Bde haven't).

NB Remember P Coy is the selection for Airborne Forces, I.e in it's modern forn 16 Bde. The training course to become a military parachutist is Basic Para, although there are others, and there are many routes to qualify for these, not just P Coy: AA Cdo Cse, SF, SD (as was), RAF Pre Para, RN Submarine Parachute Assistance Group, and also pure operational need.[Wah shield down]
 
#14
[Wah shield up] The reasoning goes that a paratrooper has to carry more kit; can only move on foot once he's on the ground; has to move quickly from the DZ to the battle quickly to take advantage of maximum surprise; and may be dropped behind enemy lines and have to hold the objective whilst waiting for a link up or relief in place or have to fight from a hot DZ. However, this doesn't actually differ that much from either the non-parachute trained air assault battalions in 16 AA Bde, or even from any other light infantry battalion. One could argue that any light infantry battalion could do the role if it was just about aggression and fitness-the US Army, and I think our own in WW2, don't have any particularly strenuous or exceptional selection course. Also by this line of reasoning it would seem illogical to put all CS and CSS troops through the course when many of them would never actually have to jump.

However, the benefit of P Coy is in less tangible terms-giving the men of 16 Bde a common hurdle to pass and hence a sense of pride and elitism that every man has done so (although the truth is, of course, that many in 16 Bde haven't).

NB Remember P Coy is the selection for Airborne Forces, I.e in it's modern forn 16 Bde. The training course to become a military parachutist is Basic Para, although there are others, and there are many routes to qualify for these, not just P Coy: AA Cdo Cse, SF, SD (as was), RAF Pre Para, RN Submarine Parachute Assistance Group, and also pure operational need.[Wah shield down]
Although you sound like a whining, nagging woman I do wonder if you've ever heard of the 'period?'
 
#16
British WWII Paras did go through P Company. There were also some Commandos who were para trained. I don't know whether they had to do P Coy as well as the original commando course up in Scotland though.
 
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[Wah shield up] The reasoning goes that a paratrooper has to carry more kit; can only move on foot once he's on the ground; has to move quickly from the DZ to the battle quickly to take advantage of maximum surprise; and may be dropped behind enemy lines and have to hold the objective whilst waiting for a link up or relief in place or have to fight from a hot DZ. However, this doesn't actually differ that much from either the non-parachute trained air assault battalions in 16 AA Bde, or even from any other light infantry battalion. One could argue that any light infantry battalion could do the role if it was just about aggression and fitness-the US Army, and I think our own in WW2, don't have any particularly strenuous or exceptional selection course. Also by this line of reasoning it would seem illogical to put all CS and CSS troops through the course when many of them would never actually have to jump.

However, the benefit of P Coy is in less tangible terms-giving the men of 16 Bde a common hurdle to pass and hence a sense of pride and elitism that every man has done so (although the truth is, of course, that many in 16 Bde haven't).

NB Remember P Coy is the selection for Airborne Forces, I.e in it's modern forn 16 Bde. The training course to become a military parachutist is Basic Para, although there are others, and there are many routes to qualify for these, not just P Coy: AA Cdo Cse, SF, SD (as was), RAF Pre Para, RN Submarine Parachute Assistance Group, and also pure operational need.[Wah shield down]
You'll note I didn't use the phrase 'P Coy'. I realise there's many different military parachutists, but I understood from other threads that a pre-requisite for a parachute course, was 'an arduous course'.

Obviously some of the roles that might need a parachute qualification would be arduous in nature: SF; Paras; some RM etc. But I wondered, does military parachuting in and of itself, ie. the jumping bit, require the arduous qualifying course, or is it the role of the parachutist, or a combination of both.
 
#19
You'll note I didn't use the phrase 'P Coy'. I realise there's many different military parachutists, but I understood from other threads that a pre-requisite for a parachute course, was 'an arduous course'.

Obviously some of the roles that might need a parachute qualification would be arduous in nature: SF; Paras; some RM etc. But I wondered, does military parachuting in and of itself, ie. the jumping bit, require the arduous qualifying course, or is it the role of the parachutist, or a combination of both.
Its a question of interpretation: Is the ATO Cse arduous? Is the DHU AHO cse arduous? repeat ad naseum.....
 

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