Applying for Jobs

#1
I'm searching for a job at the moment having graduated last year, basically been filling in tons application forms, as well as sending out CVs and covering letters. On these forms I've stated I'm in the TA and have used examples from my training (tame ones, not "Destroying the enemy required teamwork and communication") to highlight specific skills required for the job.

However I am beginning to suspect that a lot of potential employers seeing TA on my CV/ application form think "this is a lot of hassle we can do without". I also got this impression from a couple of interviews I've had aswell. Any thoughts on this?

Also, is there an official position on explaining your commitments to potential employers?
 
#2
By law you must inform an employer / potential employer of your activities with all reserve forces!
 
#3
You need to inform your employer that you are in the reserve forces, and many will require that you need to inform them of secondary employment when you start/before you start with them. Unless specifically asked about outside employment then it can be left off application form/cv. You should drop it in at the assessment day/interview panel though, as an example for whatever competencies they want you to demonstrate.

My current employer sees it as an advantage, an interview panel for a civil service role saw it as a distinct negative - got some grief from one of them relating to armed forces.

What are you interested it doing?
 
#5
me n bee said:
By law you must inform an employer / potential employer of your activities with all reserve forces!
Is it true that you must inform a potential employer?
 
#6
I was led to believe that you only have to inform them once you have passed CMS(R). Am I right in thinking that?
 
#7
Tell your employer that you are in the TA, the TA will anyway. Tell your potential employer whatever you like, but be sensible about it, and check the contract, as once they employ you they need to know.
 
#8
Cheers guys

TA_sig,

I'm planning on starting as a trainee solicitor this summer, so will be required to work pretty long hours. However I have spoken to a few solicitors in the TA, including my old CO, who say it is managable.

I too went for a civil service job and found them to be pretty hostile towards it, despite being told that the public sector are good employers from a TA perspective.
 
#9
If you get tight for time consider looking at the specialist/national sqn's too - there's some law related stuff there although don't know if any of it is in your field.

It's always managable given decent hierachy on both sides.
 
#10
Its a funny old world - these days companies put a cross against your name as soon as they read T.A on your CV.

I have three lads from my platoon also working under me at my civilian job - Again funny because my boss being ex-TA did not want to take any of them on because ofcommitments these days

haha he had no choice when we could not get the right candidates though !

It started with one already working there when i transfered from another department. We then had taken another one on and when he was deployed to Iraq i replaced him with another from the Platoon. However he just got back from ops and we needed another staff member - so knowing the job they gripped him.

Lucky for us we have done a cpl of tours each, all at different times.
 
#11
"I'm planning on starting as a trainee solicitor this summer"

I assume that you have handed in your resignation late to the human race then.
 
#12
I agree with deckard i have been searching too and again have TA membership on my CV. many jobs I have applied to I would be an ideal candidate, at least warranting an interview, but had no luck. had one interview which went well until asked about possible mobilization :)
 
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#13
Rs1977

Next time you’re asked about mobilization at a job interview tell them about intelligent mobilization.

Your potential employer needs to be told that you can only be mobilised if you volunteer, you then need to spin him a big song and dance about how important your career is to you and how you have no intention of volunteering… and they don’t need to know if the last part is true :wink:
 
#14
A side note about informing your employer that you are in the TA. I read somewhere that if you joined before a certain date ( April 1 2000 and something???) then you don't have to inform them. If you joined after, then by law you do.

I've been trying to find the exact date but with no luck. Anyone else know out there?
 
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IrishDoris said:
A side note about informing your employer that you are in the TA. I read somewhere that if you joined before a certain date ( April 1 2000 and something???) then you don't have to inform them. If you joined after, then by law you do.

I've been trying to find the exact date but with no luck. Anyone else know out there?
ID,

The MOD will inform them when you re-engage.

msr
 
#16
Goku said:
Rs1977

Next time you’re asked about mobilization at a job interview tell them about intelligent mobilization.

Your potential employer needs to be told that you can only be mobilised if you volunteer, you then need to spin him a big song and dance about how important your career is to you and how you have no intention of volunteering… and they don’t need to know if the last part is true :wink:
If you lie to your employer about not volunteering when in fact you did and they find out they can sack you there and then, perfectly legally. Reservist protections etc will not apply as you're getting the boot for lying. Remember also that your unit/SABRE etc will write to your employer and tell them what good eggs they are for supporting you volunteering to be mobilised, and your employer will head off to the SABRE website to read up on things and will read the bit that says that all TA volunteer to be mobilised.

Equally, telling them in an interview (where they may well be taking notes) that you can only be mobilised if you volunteer when the legislation clearly states that is not the case isn't too clever either. By all means point out that intelligent mobilisation is current policy and unlikely to change unless WW3 breaks out but don't misrepresent the facts.

Of course this will mean you are far less employable. That is the reality of todays TA and I'm afraid that your only option to address this is to leave. A sign of the times methinks.
 
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#17
What an unpleasant picture you paint.

My understanding of intelligent mobilization was that you put your name down to mobilize, and if within 3 yrs of you doing so the CoC decided to send you off to somewhere sandy you then received a brown envelope informing you that you’ve been compulsory mobilized.
Said letter could then be shown to your employer accompanied with the line “look boss it’s not my fault”

Oh well, I’ll just have to cross that bridge when it comes.
 
#18
Goku said:
What an unpleasant picture you paint.

My understanding of intelligent mobilization was that you put your name down to mobilize, and if within 3 yrs of you doing so the CoC decided to send you off to somewhere sandy you then received a brown envelope informing you that you’ve been compulsory mobilized.
Said letter could then be shown to your employer accompanied with the line “look boss it’s not my fault”

Oh well, I’ll just have to cross that bridge when it comes.
Believe me, I wish it were otherwise. I know too many of my colleagues who have had problems - as have I - and do not want someone's enthusiasm to get them into trouble. After all, all the CoC will say is "you should have been honest with your employer, nothing we can do".

And you are quite correct that all mobilisations are done using the compulsory part of RFA 96, it's the frequent and prominent statements by the CoC and SABRE that only volunteers are compulsorily mobilised that will trip you up.
 
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Goku said:
What an unpleasant picture you paint.

My understanding of intelligent mobilization was that you put your name down to mobilize, and if within 3 yrs of you doing so the CoC decided to send you off to somewhere sandy you then received a brown envelope informing you that you’ve been compulsory mobilized.
Said letter could then be shown to your employer accompanied with the line “look boss it’s not my fault”

Oh well, I’ll just have to cross that bridge when it comes.
Not spoiling Goku, but OOTS is just about spot on the money in what he has written. This topic has been discussed several times, and anecdotally it appears that TA / Reservist employment has in some cases been a bar to employment and for some it has been the very issue that secured the interview/job.

Whilst playing the “look boss it’s not my fault” line sounds reasonable, the fact of the matter is that, any savvy HR type is very aware of the "risks" associated with employing TA/Reservists and will probably be completely aware of how Intelligent Mobilisation works.

Quite sad really, you have a motivated group of volunteers who are willing to risk their' lives at the drop of a hat, and yet the current government legislation actually works against them and their employers. In order to get around this thorny issue, you either need to lie, or appear extremely naive to potential employers. These are not the best of traits to get across at interview!

Ubique.
 
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One_of_the_strange said:
And you are quite correct that all mobilisations are done using the compulsory part of RFA 96, it's the frequent and prominent statements by the CoC and SABRE that only volunteers are compulsorily mobilised that will trip you up.
This must be some kind of barmy army logic that I’m not quite following.

Officially it’s compulsory mobilized yet the powers that be think it’s a good idea to tell my employer that I volunteered which could potentially put my civvy job at risk?
Isn’t the CoC and SABRE meant to be looking out for me so as to encourage me to volunteer?

Hummm…I’d say if the TA want’s to mobilize anyone other than students, minimum wage earners, contractors, and the unemployed then they really are going to have to use compulsory mobilization.

In the TA?
Half decent civvy job?
Want to volunteer for sandy places?
Get fcuked!

:(
 
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