Apache to Afganistan

#1
With the deployment of UK Apache's on operations for the first time, I am sure the unit/s will carry out its mission in the highest tradition of the Corps. What concerns me more is the availability/cost of ammunition. Gulf 1 & 2 required stacks of Tow & bullets.....cheap ammo in comparison to Apache. Apache pilots train with 30mil & rockets and maybe SAL missiles (correct me if I got that wrong) RF missiles cost at least £250,000 each...........therefore training is done in the simulator.
Does anyone know if the AAC units going out, are being allowed to train on all types of ammunition and will be allowed to conduct operations with all types of ammunition and allowed to fire all types of ammunition freely without restrictions.
Why can I picture the papers in several months time...........MOD deny that Apache pilots were restricted in the use of costly missles or MOD deny that Apache pilots were prohibited from using costly missiles.

I wish those guys the best of luck............. 8)
 
#3
Poppy fields would be the least of their problems......but I appreciate your humour... :D :D
 
#5
I take your point FNUSNU, but its no secret that we use the same/similar ammo as the US especially missiles...........which isn't hush hush...only their capabilities.....googling will throw up more info than you can shake a big stick at. Take a look at this link 16 Air Assault Bde.
 
#6
Fisrst world war == weapons of defence>weapons of attack||afganistan==cost to much to engage the enamy

Answere =(((Catapults)&&(Dutch Arrows))||
(Bolt Bombs&&air rifles)||
( (fart in there general direction))&&(wave my naughty pits at you)))
 
#7
The cost of a RF missile is the least of their problems. I wish them luck, and God speed ye gentlemen.
 
#8
jinxy said:
Fisrst world war == weapons of defence>weapons of attack||afganistan==cost to much to engage the enamy

Answere =(((Catapults)&&(Dutch Arrows))||
(Bolt Bombs&&air rifles)||
( (fart in there general direction))&&(wave my naughty pits at you)))
WTF?
 
#10
jinxy said:
Fisrst world war == weapons of defence>weapons of attack||afganistan==cost to much to engage the enamy

Answere =(((Catapults)&&(Dutch Arrows))||
(Bolt Bombs&&air rifles)||
( (fart in there general direction))&&(wave my naughty pits at you)))
Nerd, uding PDL especially when your alignments are out!!
 
#11
What is worth using a hellfire on in afgan anyway? Unless the stand off range is needed . Its an anitiarmour weapon
and very little armour in the hands of the taliban .Surly carrying more rockets is better . Not that I know much just more ammo is better imho . Though some of those rocket warheadsseem more than enough to ruin your day.
Remember some newspaper article where they traced a hellfire fired in lebanon by the israelis at a soft skinned ambulance and got the yanks who built it too meet the guys it maimed .Struck me that hellfire didnt seem good at killing people in soft skinned vechicles though the missle in question was left over from gulf 1 so may have malfuntioned .
 
#12
Yet again the British Army is going somewhere because the rest of NATO couldn't be bothered/too scared/ cares about its troops. Whatever reason I hope the Corps do a better job than the cluster they pulled off in Telic. We should be alright though because Maj *RR isn't going..... the tw*t
 
#13
In the Falklands the Corps fitted SNEB to gazelles that they bought from the French - turned out not to be too accurate. Are the Canadian things more accurate??
 
#14
Sven, The SNEB rockets were inaccurate in the Falklands because the sighting system was a red chinagraph cross on the perspex of the Gazelle !!! It was a very hurried fit to the Gazelle purely to give it some justification for being there in the first place.
 
#15
We have now moved on somewhat - the Apache comes with lot of different coloured chinagraphs!!!!!!!!!
 
#17
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#18
Yeah sorry its on the RLI - names changed to protect the innocent:

Soft hats, hard helos: troops prepare for Afghan deployment
01/02/2006


THE soldiers of 3 Para don't know what the weather will be like when they arrive in Afghanistan later this year, but Exercise Herrick Eagle, which culminated on a cold hilltop in Wiltshire at the end of January, aimed to prepare them for the worst that they might find.


16 Air Assault Brigade Medics dismount from a RAF Chinook during Exercise Herrick Eagle [Picture: Cpl Jimmy Greaves RLC]

At the end of the week-long exercise, John Reid visited soldiers from 16 Air Assault Brigade and detachments of the Estonian and Danish armies at Copehill training village on Salisbury Plain.

Paratroopers' maroon berets mingled with the pale blue headgear of the Army Air Corps as the Defence Secretary said:

"We are not going to wage war and destroy things, but to build things."

16 UK-resident Afghans were helping British troops get to grips with the basics of Afghan culture. 18-year-old Khatera Gulbuddin explained how the cultural awareness programme included such vital information as how to address Afghan women respectfully, and simple phrases of the local language to help soldiers take the first steps towards friendship.

Warning that terrorists do not observe any standards of morality, he said this meant that British troops' own standards would be put to the test. His final message to the men and women who will go to Afghanistan later this year was a simple "thank you."

Every soldier going to Afghanistan is aware that their task was first and foremost one of engaging the support of the local population, and building the foundations for a peaceful and secure Afghanistan.

Standing guard beside a Land Rover laden with Milan anti-tank missiles, Private Peter Jones of 3 Para said he was "keeping an open mind" about what he would find in Afghanistan, but was in little doubt that his training would see him through the challenges.

If the phrasebook doesn't work and it comes to a fight in Afghanistan, one of the most fearsome weapons in the UK armoury will be on hand - the Apache helicopter.

Any helicopter-spotters watching Salisbury Plain during Exercise Herrick Eagle would have been ticking off their score-cards furiously. In quick succession they would have seen two Lynx, a Chinook, and the prize: a pair of Apache attack helicopters, sweeping in to provide cover for a medical team deploying to Copehill.

When the medics were safely away, one of the Apaches returned to offer assembled journalists a close-up view. The helicopter was as stationary as the kestrel that had hung over the village earlier, scouting for mice – but a lot noisier.

Afterwards Staff Sergeant Karl Chick, one of the Apache pilots (yes, really), explained how the Army's new helicopter was "everything we've wanted and a little bit more."

But he was realistic about what 16 Air Assault Brigade will find in Afghanistan:

"We're under no illusions it's going to be very hard," he said. "But what mission isn't?"

There's no doubt British soldiers deploying to Helmand Province will find some things familiar. As for the unfamiliar and unexpected, every soldier knows there is only one defence: preparation, preparation, preparation.

See Related Videos >>> to view a short film about Exercise Herrick Eagle.
Well...duh defence journos........July in Helmand is going to be dry and hot guys.....I'm sure the MoD Library can do you a search on "Soviet Helo operations in Afghanistan".....for a crate of Moskovskaya and a phone call to the Brit DA in Mockba you can prolly jack up a first hand lecture from an ex-Hind pilot from Frontal Aviation ;-)

Bon Chance skygods !

Le Chevre
 
#19
If sending Apaches to Afganistan is going to be such a costly affair and the choice of targets sparse......would it have been more cost effective to send Lynx Tow with Door Gunners.
Just a thought............. :D
 
#20
AirCav744 said:
If sending Apaches to Afganistan is going to be such a costly affair and the choice of targets sparse......would it have been more cost effective to send Lynx Tow with Door Gunners.
Just a thought............. :D
And miss the Photo Oppertunity? Not a chance.
 

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