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"Apache rescue mission" Booties go unrewarded.

#1
I don't know if there is a current thread on this topic, if there is MODS feel free to delete.

Spoke to a work colleague today who is ex RM, and he showed me the Sept issue of Navy News, more specifically a letter in the Navy news from another ex Booty with reference to the "apache rescue mission".

Quote:
With regard to the Apache mission in Afghanistan, would somebody please explain why the four Army Air Corps aircrew and the Royal Engineer Captain involved were awarded DFCs and MCs but that the three Royal Marines who clung to the side of the Apache recieved nothing?
Those Royal Marines, one of whom had been in the RM for only 14 months, had earlier taken part in a major assault on that Taleban stronghold and had to retreat under withering fire, yet they volunteered to fly back into that compound by strapping themselves onto the outside of two Apaches, such was their determination to rescue their fellow Royal Marine and friend
Why have those gallant Royal Marines been left out of the awards?
Dr L.A. (ex RM)

The MOD told Navy news:
"Nominations for operational honours are initiated by local commanders in the theatre of operations.
They are then considered up through the operatioal chain of command. This process ensures that full account is taken of the perspectives of both those on the ground and others with a wider, impartial view.
Because of this requirement to maintain the confidentiality of the honours and awards process, the Ministry of Defence will not discuss specific instances.
The actions of all those involved in the dramitic recovery of L/Cpl Ford were, however carefully considered.
Operational awards were granted to four personnel involved in the incident, together with a number of commendations awarded by the Commander of Joint Operations".

This is not intended to be a flame thread, I personally believe all involved in this action deserve an MC at least, I just can't believe that the Booties got no more than commendations.
 
#3
The trouble is, I expect almost every soldier and Marine deserves an MC for their part in that tour (and those before and after). Whilst their actions that day were extremely brave, and attained a lot of media coverage, I expect there were a massive number of other instances which merited equal recognition.

Obviously, this doesn't explain why the RM got nothing, but I expect it has to do with the Army & RM CoC's seeing this incident from a different angle (Army as a unique incident, RM as almost "another day at work").
 
#6
dorsetross88 said:
I agree with the posts so far, they deserve the MC at least. :?
But that's just it. So does every other marine on the tour. It's unfair to deny them it, but it's also unfair to give it to them just because this incident got media coverage and others didn't...

I'm not playing down what they did by the way.
 
#7
RFUK said:
dorsetross88 said:
I agree with the posts so far, they deserve the MC at least. :?
But that's just it. So does every other marine on the tour. It's unfair to deny them it, but it's also unfair to give it to them just because this incident got media coverage and others didn't...

I'm not playing down what they did by the way.
I see your point "RFUK".

Also, I would'nt've suggested you were playing down what they did.
 
#9
Given the s**tstorms this government has gotten the forces into, taking into account make us do more for less in situations where vital kit is unavailable and yet we soldier on with a stupid grin and the usual banter - I'd suggest every man (ok and woman) in uniform who's set foot on sand in the middle east deserves a medal.
 
#10
Yeah, surely an MiD at least would have been forthcoming.

Strapping oneself to an Attack Helicopter in the fashion they did is not "just another day at work" surely?
 
#12
just_jay said:
yer is strapping your self you to an appache something you learn in your marine training?
I believe it's covered in week 7 of the course at Lympstone, just after the 'leaping over tall buildings in a single bound' module and before they learn to make bullets bounce off their chest.
 
#13
Praetorian said:
Yeah, surely an MiD at least would have been forthcoming.

Strapping oneself to an Attack Helicopter in the fashion they did is not "just another day at work" surely?
If every day you're assaulting enemy positions, calling in airstrikes, and a whole range of other ridiculously dangerous things, I expect strapping yourself to an apache isn't quite such a big deal.

Still, having thought about it, there is documented proof that this act took place and footage in the public domain of it happening. To hold back on awards seems a bit daft, particularly when the AAC were decorated.

 
#14
Apparently they would of received a MD until the Health and saftey executive decreed their Risk assesment paperwork for that assignment was not upto the required standard!
I'm sure medals were the last thing they thought about when volunteering for the task, if this happened the Op Granby they would of received a Mid at LEAST!
 
#17
My opinion for what it's worth? There are so many selfless acts of bravery being carried out on an hourly basis it has become the norm. Difficult to single individuals out when this is the case.

Having said that, surely the guys on the outside of the Chopper who risked life and limb to clamber off said Apache to recover their fallen comrade from a Taliban stronghold deserve more than those guys crewing it?

I hate to say this but is it because dey is OR's?
 
#19
Every person out there is a hero in my book. Those marines did go that extra mile though, and deserve some recognition.

They soon get mentioned when rolled up mats are involved , don't they ??
 
#20
To hold back on awards seems a bit daft, particularly when the AAC were decorated.
so RFUK, are you trying to say just because they are AAC pilots they shouldnt be decorated?if it wasnt for these guys volunteering to fly the royals back in, then who knows what would have happend to the poor sod's body.
the booties should definately be decorated for this, but the fault lies on the Royal Marine commanders for not putting them forward for it
 

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