Apache and Apache Dawn

#1
Seen these on the book shelves at work the other day & toying with buying them on pay day.Can any of you chaps tell me if they are any good?
Cheers,
Spike
 
#2
Apache was all over the Sun newspaper the other day but haven't read it myself so can't reccomend it. I am currently reading Apache Dawn by Damien Lewis which is the same sort of book as Apache- well worth a read
 
#3
Having finished Apache Dawn in less than wee I can recommend it highly. Very pleased to see them praising the work of the groundies, and also showing them the gun tapes at the end of missions, good drills those chaps!!

Also on my book shelf are:

3 Para - Patrick Bishop
Sniper One - Dan Mills
Target Basra - Mike Rossiter
Eight Lives Down - Major Chris Hunter
My War - Colby Buzzell (not great but ok)
Looking For Trouble - Gen. Sir PDB :) Great book, the bloke is a hard arrse!
Also Commando? Cant remeber the title I have lent it to a friend, all in all, some excellent reads, and will be buying Apache (As an ex groundie, one has too).

Have seen more and more book written by serving an ex regulars who have served in the sandpits, there is also a book out from the RAF wallahs, Harrier squadrons in Afganistan, I flicked through the lowdown page and am ure that they were in the Stan at the same time as 662 Sqn AAC and are referenced in Apache Dawn in places.

Will also be purchasing that, as I am now defecting to the RAuxAF as god forbid.......Gunner in the Regiment....ok ok you are allowed one dig, and one dig only ;)

Happy reading chaps :)
 
#4
If so is it worth getting?
 
#5
Not a bad read,good to see plenty of praise for the groundies.Have now to read Ed Macy's "Apache" for compatison which is set just before this book.
 
#6
Ord_Sgt said:
If so is it worth getting?
It is. Offers a good insight into their daily lives, even when not screaming over the 'stan blowing stuff up. :D
 
#7
Apache by Ed Macey is a cracking read.

He was one of the Aircraft commanders involved in the rescue / recovery of Matthew Ford and his account is gripping.

No wonder he and Geordie got an MC each
 
#8
minister_doh_nut said:
Apache by Ed Macey is a cracking read.

He was one of the Aircraft commanders involved in the rescue / recovery of Matthew Ford and his account is gripping.

No wonder he and Geordie got an MC each
Agree with MDN on this one! 8O
Bought it last week & it's very a 'revealing' look into their tour.Well written.
Got '3 Commando' & 'Harrier' on the reading list next.
 
#9
Definitely worth reading - devoured it in a few days. I did have to smile at the bits describing Apache training as being as tough as Selection. Don't get me wrong, they have to be genuinely excellent pilots, and only a few are that good and get to be chosen. It's just that the two are different. Other than that, a very good account of a very challenging tour. Good to see due recognition given to the ground crew - sounds like they work their nads off. Oh, and I did like the bit about the US Apache crew... Looking forward to reading Apache next.
 
#10
batus_survivor said:
I did have to smile at the bits describing Apache training as being as tough as Selection.
Ed MAcey, when not protected by his 'author name' would know.

When I was a young lance jack, he was a Para Regt transferee fullscrew pilot, and quite possibly the most switched on, professional soldier I'd ever ever met.

When it came to light what exactly had happened at the Fort with Matthew Ford (Muttley told me) I asked who the other three crew were, as I knew it had to be 'Ed' It came as no surprise my thoughts were true.

Geordie, was a quiet unasuming gentleman as a Tom, never gobby, always with a dry smile, always with his sense of humour and sense of calm in tact, well thought of, popular and if I'm honest not someone you'd expect to be dismounting a parked up Apache, under fire and doing what they did and well deserving of a Military Cross.

Am humbled and privelidged to be able to consider them both friends.

If anyone was in a position to make comparisons to selection I'd argue it was Macy, he's very much been there seen it, done it and swamped all over the T-shirt factory wall.
 
#11
It wasn't meant in anyway as disrespectful - simply Selection always seems to be quoted as a benchmark, and that the nature of the challenges in Apache pilot training I assume are very different, even if they are no less exacting. As for the action at the Fort, I remain gob smacked by the extraordinary skill, determination and bravery of all involved.
 
#12
I've read both books, I would say Ed Macy's book is the one to get, unless you specifically want to read both. Apache Dawn seemed over dramatised and had less detail than Ed Macys book.
 

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LE
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#13
It's on me list - seen both in WHSmiths, and was more inclined to get Ed Macy's book, but stupid me, I got that bl00dy walty book by Peter Mercer instead.

Consider me chastised.
 
#14
I bought it today out of intrest about the units, and am about a quarter through but still finding it hard to get into it proper. Seems a bit dramatised and I'd probably enjoy it more if it was written by one of the pilots themselves
 
#16
Sausage_meat_beard said:
Apache by Ed Macey is a cracking read.

He was one of the Aircraft commanders involved in the rescue / recovery of Matthew Ford and his account is gripping.

No wonder he and Geordie got an MC each
Picked it up on Saturday. Started it last night and am 3/4 of the way through already. It's a great book and highly recomended.
 

Mr Happy

LE
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#17
Sausage_meat_beard said:
batus_survivor said:
I did have to smile at the bits describing Apache training as being as tough as Selection.
Ed MAcey, when not protected by his 'author name' would know.
SMB, BS was referring to Apache Down which is a different book to your muckers.

I picked up Apache Dawn

at the aeroport the other day and read it quite quickly. To be honest, its not a good book.

If you knew nothing about the army or the military (e.g. a Civvie or in the RLC) you might enjoy it but its all a bit basic, a bit hypey and so on. The author starts by thanking about a dozen people for proof reading his book, to be honest he shoud get his money back. There's about 18 errors in the first 18 pages before we settle down to a lower rate. The book repeats itself several times and the book, whilst being about flight UGLY borrows stories from others in the squadron to bulk itself out.

I am sure the pilots did a great job, saved lived and made a difference under the conditions dictated to them but I don't think this book does the best job of telling their tales. Also several references to Special Forces (about 4 all up) didn't impress me but again might a civvie or stacker..

Lastly I could not get the point of the pilots whining about firing warning shots at Afghan's who failed to surrender... Perhaps the Afghans don't know how to surrender to a helicopter flying at 50knots, side-on L to R at 1500m altitude, 1000m away and so you 'shooting near them' with a fcking 30mm isn't going to bring that about. People don't generally surrender to dots in the sky.. Just because you've got a x127 lense and can see them... Special my hairy arrse..
 
#18
Mr Happy said:
SMB, BS was referring to Apache Down which is a different book to your muckers.
Yes mate I know, thanks for that.

Thats why I referred to Apache as opposed to Apache Dawn. Macy also refers to selection in his book, so thought it relevant. He also mentions the Groundies too

Mr Happy said:
Lastly I could not get the point of the pilots whining about firing warning shots at Afghan's who failed to surrender... Perhaps the Afghans don't know how to surrender to a helicopter flying at 50knots, side-on L to R at 1500m altitude, 1000m away and so you 'shooting near them' with a fcking 30mm isn't going to bring that about. People don't generally surrender to dots in the sky.. Just because you've got a x127 lense and can see them... Special my hairy arrse..
Ahem...... yes they do.

Even on Granby Iraqi's surrendered to Lynx helicopters... In their tens and scores
 
#19
Thanks Mr Happy - I hadn't been paying attention to author's names and didn't notice we were talking at cross purposes.

I now have the Ed Macey book, and it's in my stack to read. So many books and so little time :)
 
#20
batus_survivor said:
I now have the Ed Macey book, and it's in my stack to read. So many books and so little time :)
It will make you rigid.

Granted am slightly bias, but it genuinely is one of the best books I've read.
 
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