AOSB Fitness: Fail MSFT = ticket home?

#1
I've heard some contradictory information re. the physical tests on Day 1 - I wonder if anyone can clarify things for me?

MSFT to level 10.2, 44 press-ups, and 50 sit-ups - these are the standards that we know and love. I've been led to believe that of the three, the MSFT is an absolute pass/fail. Reach 10.2 and you stay: get sub-10.2 and it's a bus ride home. So far as the sit-ups and press-ups go, anything below the standard is a black mark against you, though not necessarily fatal.

Is this correct, that there is no leeway for sub-standard MSFT performance, or have I misunderstood the situation?

Thanks.
 
#2
I think it depends really on the mood of the DS at the time. On my Main Board, a fair few dropped out of the bleep test, but only one was sent home. Having said that, don't plan to fail. It won't help first impressions to your group leader.
 
#3
On my AOSB all the guys who failed the MSFT went home that day. There was a girl in my group who never passed and managed to stay.

Just be ready for it is my advice. You know whats coming, same as briefing....
 
#6
uo1_rhino said:
we should never be thinking of failing MSFT...basics
It's not so much a question of thinking of failing the MSFT, but rather wondering if failing the MSFT is treated far more harshly than the other two elements of the phys test?
 
#7
There's no way of knowing until you fail whether it's a ticket home or not. But the standards are laid out clearly in advance, download MSFT from the internet and pop it into your ipod and give it a go. How long till AOSB for you? Also, remember you need to do all the tests in a row back to back, so factor that in to your training, also get the army technique sorted, they are very particular about it and won't count wrong technique, so it will result in wasted effort and time if you don't.
On a side note, take up boxing. Absolutely brilliant all round training, strength and stamina, I did recently and my round the park runs got much much faster. And I added about three miles to them in just over a fortnight, with 5 hours boxing a week. Also it's something to pull out of the bag in the interviews.
Is nice. Great success.
 
#9
FFS

Leeway? This isn't Uni or school where deadlines or quality are always negotiable. The Army works to absolutes, yes means yes, 09:05 means 09:05 and 10.3 means 10.3, not 10.29. You know what's required, you've been told clearly. Train to do it in every aspect, do it easily and with style at Westbury, and allow yourself a sardonic jeer at those dreamers too thick to understand.

You want to lead British soldiers, the very best in the world, in battle, don't you. And you want leeway, on the very lowest level of fitness?

Yes, I'm a little irritable. The question had that effect.

FFS

Old Rat
 
#10
If you can't pass a simple physical test like that,then you would not do well at RMAS.As another poster says ''if you want to command British soldiers,fitness will be one of the key qualities that you must have''
 
#11
Thanks all for the replies. I've perhaps been misunderstood. I have no problem with getting to 10.2; my 2.4km is 9:45 - well within spec, even if I'm not quite yet at Übermensch standard! 10.2 is an elementary level of fitness and I have no issue with it.

I was only wondering, in general terms, whether it is correct (as I have heard) that the beep test, unlike the strength tests, is an automatic 'fail and you're out', or if a marginal failure would see you continue with the board - almost certainly, however, with negative marks for sub-standard fitness.

I was motivated to ask the question out of an interest in the mechanics of the assessment process, not because I feel inclined to turn in a below par performance. That's all there is to it...really!
 
#12
The impression I got was that fitness can always be worked on. On my board last week, several fell short of level 10.2 but only 3 went sent home. The rumor mill told of those sent home at least two had been given delays from briefing on fitness grounds, and so failing the MSFT showed basic lack of commitment.
The assessors seemed less concerned with the strength tests. Lots of people fell short due to poor technique, yet still passed. Obviously the thing to do is get yourself fitter than the minimum standard, thus taking pressure off (you'll have enough on your mind without worrying about this). Breezing through the physical requirements is the perfect way to set yourself up for a good week.
 
#13
On my board, several people fell below the 10.2 standard however none were sent home. One bloke did rather poor on the MSFT and he got taken to the side at the end of it and was told that it was unacceptable and he was very close to catching the bus home, but they allowed him to continue the rest of the board.

At briefing, the fitness is more slack i believe because i knew of many people who failed the MSFT there and they just ended up with a cat 2 - 3month for fitness
 
#14
whisky_octopus said:
On a side note, take up boxing. Absolutely brilliant all round training, strength and stamina, I did recently and my round the park runs got much much faster. And I added about three miles to them in just over a fortnight, with 5 hours boxing a week. Also it's something to pull out of the bag in the interviews.
Is nice. Great success.
I second that, boxing all the way! It might also instil some extra grit and confidence in you and is a great stress relief. I cannot recommend it enough. Just make sure you don't do too much heavy sparring before your MB, I don't know how they would react to you showing up at Leighton house with a panda face.
 
#15
Xoums said:
whisky_octopus said:
On a side note, take up boxing. Absolutely brilliant all round training, strength and stamina, I did recently and my round the park runs got much much faster. And I added about three miles to them in just over a fortnight, with 5 hours boxing a week. Also it's something to pull out of the bag in the interviews.
Is nice. Great success.
I second that, boxing all the way! It might also instil some extra grit and confidence in you and is a great stress relief. I cannot recommend it enough. Just make sure you don't do too much heavy sparring before your MB, I don't know how they would react to you showing up at Leighton house with a panda face.
Funnily enough where I am working currently I fought the day before my interview. I came in with a black eye (first one ever typically) and not a word was said.
I think the MD took it to either be a birth mark or a sign of character.
 
#17
I recent passed AOSB but failed the MSF. Only one other failed and he stayed too. Failing not only harmed my chances of passing but was also a MASSIVE confidence knock. My reason for failing was a chest infection for 2 weeks before and then a slip on the the turn on 9.8. Couldn't make the ground back up. It was a really bad experience, especially when 6 weeks before I completed the 1.5 miles in 8:19.
All is not lost if you don't hit 10.2 but I had to put a huge effort into everything else in order to make it up. However, a practice of the MSF is strongly recommended as it is a lot different to running normally. there really is no excuse for failing this (even though I attempted to give some) as it is an area which can be trained. Just learn from my failure and put the hours in on the road.
 
#18
Not getting 10.2 might not see you sent home but it can affect your confidence for the rest of the week.

As alf88 said it is worth practicing the MSFT if you haven't had much practice with one. I was surprised on my AOSB with the length of the warm-up they put us through. So any extra training you can do will obviously help with the MSFT but also with the individual obstacle course. However, no-one was sent home though for failing the MSFT.

Best not to think about failing - we were continually told that an officer should be positive and in the right frame of mind. Thinking about failing puts you at a disadvantage straightaway.

Alf88 were you on board 2369, if you were which group were you in?

J_J
 
#19
Yep, brown group, number 43.
Not heard much back from my group in the way of success, as far as I know I am the only pass so far. However I haven't got the reg soldier from my group on facebook and he was good so I expect he passed.

What about yourself? Which intake are you aiming for at RMAS? I've got to attend PRMAS for 11 weeks which is a bit of a ball ache. Think I need to expand my "cultural horizons" from football and drinking to ballet and opera.
 
#20
I failed the bleep test at my AOSB. Got 44 pressups and 50 situps well within the allotted time and then completely screwed up on the running. Psyched myself out or whatever but I must've only got around level 9, certainly no higher than that which is bizarre as I'm quite happy running 1.5 miles in 8.45 or less. Anyway, I went on to be one of two in my group to get a pass for the board.

Failing the bleep test knocked my confidence and put me in a foul mood for the rest of the day but I resolved to do better for the rest of the board and when it came to the assault course I went round 3 times and got told my fitness was well above average.

Long and short of the story is that failing the bleep test is poor and you shouldn't plan on failing but it's not the end of the board necessarily and it can even push you to do even better on other elements of the selection.
 

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