ANZAC Day 2008

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  1. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    On the morning of my parent's 46th wedding anniversary (Mr Fingerz snr died 09/01/06) I will be "Standing To" at 0500 with a mug of gunfire before I sod off to do deeds of daring do (alright stare at a computer screen).

    I wish all of our Digger and Kiwi members all the best for the day. I hope that the RSL's don't run ot of beer.
  2. Seconded, I was in Galipoli for the 90th anniversary of ANZAC day. It was a very moving ceremony, at dawn in the cove at the foot of the cliffs. Good to see so many antipodean youngsters (on leave from working in London's pubs!) attending.

  3. No disrepect intended but, didn´t the French actually lose more men at the Gallipoli campaign than the ANZACS?
    Just a point I thought I´d like to mention!
    So I mean why don´t they call it Froggy Day or somesuch.
  4. The French may have lost more men but you have to look at the size of population of NZ and Australia. Less casualties have a big impact on small populations than similar numbers would on a large populace.
  5. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Because it was a traumatic experiance for two very new countries.

    Read and learn, wiki can be your friend.

    "Anzac Day marks the anniversary of the first major military action fought by Australian and New Zealand forces during the First World War. The acronym ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, whose soldiers were known as Anzacs. The pride they took in that name endures to this day, and Anzac Day remains one of the most important national occasions of both Australia and New Zealand.

    When war broke out in 1914, Australia had been a Federal Commonwealth for only thirteen years. In 1915, Australian and New Zealand soldiers formed part of an Allied expedition that set out to capture the Gallipoli Peninsula, under a plan by Winston Churchill to open the way to the Black Sea for the Allied navies. The objective was to capture Istanbul, capital of the Ottoman Empire and an ally of Germany. The ANZAC force landed at Gallipoli on 25 April, meeting fierce resistance from the Turkish defenders. What had been planned as a bold strike to knock Turkey out of the war quickly became a stale-mate, and the campaign dragged on for eight months. At the end of 1915, the Allied forces were evacuated after both sides had suffered heavy casualties and endured great hardships. Over 8,000 Australian and 2,700 New Zealand soldiers died. News of the landing at Gallipoli made a profound impact on Australians and New Zealanders at home and 25 April quickly became the day on which they remembered the sacrifice of those who had died in war.

    Though the Gallipoli campaign failed in its military objectives of capturing Istanbul and knocking Turkey out of the war, the Australian and New Zealand troops' actions during the campaign bequeathed an intangible but powerful legacy. The creation of what became known as an "Anzac legend" became an important part of the national identity in both countries. This shaped the ways they viewed both their past and their future.

    On 30 April 1915, when the first news of the landing reached New Zealand, a half-day holiday was declared and impromptu services were held. The following year a public holiday was gazetted on 5 April and services to commemorate were organised by the returned servicemen.

    The date, 25 April, was officially named Anzac Day in 1916; in that year it was marked by a wide variety of ceremonies and services in Australia and New Zealand, a march through London, and a sports day for the Australian and New Zealand soldiers in Egypt. The small New Zealand community of Tinui, near Masterton in the Wairarapa was apparently the first place in New Zealand to have an Anzac Day service, when the then vicar led an expedition to place a large wooden cross on the Tinui Taipos (a 1200ft high large hill/mountain, behind the village) in April 1916 to commemorate the dead. A service was held on the 25th of April of that year. In 2006 the 90th Anniversary of the event was celebrated with a full twenty-one gun salute fired at the service by soldiers from the Waiouru Army Camp. In London, over 2,000 Australian and New Zealand troops marched through the streets of the city. A London newspaper headline dubbed them "The Knights of Gallipoli". Marches were held all over Australia in 1916; wounded soldiers from Gallipoli attended the Sydney march in convoys of cars, accompanied by nurses. Over 2,000 people attended the service in Rotorua. For the remaining years of the war, Anzac Day was used as an occasion for patriotic rallies and recruiting campaigns, and parades of serving members of the AIF were held in most cities. From 1916 onwards, in both Australia and New Zealand, Anzac services were held on or about 25 April, mainly organised by returned servicemen and school children in cooperation with local authorities.

    Anzac Day was gazetted as a public holiday in New Zealand in 1920, through the Anzac Day Act, after lobbying by the Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association, the RSA.In Australia at the 1921 State Premiers' Conference, it was decided that Anzac Day would be observed on 25 April each year. However, it was not observed uniformly in all the States.

    One of the traditions of Anzac Day is the 'gunfire breakfast' (coffee with rum added), which occurs shortly after many dawn ceremonies.

    During the 1920s, Anzac Day became established as a National Day of Commemoration for the 60,000 Australians and 18,000 New Zealanders who died during the war. The first year in which all the States observed some form of public holiday together on Anzac Day was 1927. By the mid-1930s, all the rituals now associated with the day — dawn vigils, marches, memorial services, reunions, sly two-up games — became part of Australian Anzac Day culture. New Zealand commemorations also adopted many of these rituals, with the dawn service being introduced from Australia in 1939.

    With the coming of the Second World War, Anzac Day became a day on which to commemorate the lives of Australians and New Zealanders lost in that war as well and in subsequent years, the meaning of the day has been further broadened to include those killed in all the military operations in which the countries have been involved.

    Anzac Day was first commemorated at the Australian War Memorial in 1942, but due to government orders preventing large public gatherings in case of Japanese air attack; it was a small affair and was neither a march nor a memorial service. Anzac Day has been annually commemorated at the Australian War Memorial ever since.[citation needed] Australians and New Zealanders recognise 25 April as a ceremonial occasion. Commemorative services are held at dawn, the time of the original landing, across both nations. Later in the day, ex-servicemen and women meet and join in marches through the major cities and many smaller centers.

    Commemorative ceremonies are held at war memorials around both countries. It is a day when Australians and New Zealanders reflect on war.

    Dawn service

    After the First World War, returned soldiers sought the comradeship they felt in those quiet, peaceful moments before dawn. With symbolic links to the dawn landing at Gallipoli, a dawn stand-to or dawn ceremony became a common form of Anzac Day remembrance during the 1920s. The first official dawn service was held at the Sydney Cenotaph in 1927. Dawn services were originally very simple and followed the operational ritual; in many cases they were restricted to veterans only. The daytime ceremony was for families and other well-wishers and the dawn service was for returned soldiers to remember and reflect among the comrades with whom they shared a special bond. Before dawn the gathered veterans would be ordered to "stand-to" and two minutes of silence would follow. At the start of this time a lone bugler would play "The Last Post" and then concluded the service with "Reveille". In more recent times the families and young people have been encouraged to take part in dawn services, and services in Australian capital cities have seen some of the largest turnouts ever. Reflecting this change, the ceremonies have become more elaborate, incorporating hymns, readings, pipers and rifle volleys. Others, though, have retained the simple format of the dawn stand-to, familiar to so many soldiers.

    Each year the commemorations follow a pattern that is familiar to generations of Australians. A typical Anzac Day service contains the following features: introduction, hymn, prayer, an address, laying of wreaths, recitation, the playing of "The Last Post", a minute of silence, "Reveille", and the playing of both New Zealand and Australian national anthems. At the Australian War Memorial, following events such as the Anzac Day and Remembrance Day services, families often place red poppies beside the names of relatives on the Memorial's Roll of Honour. In Australia sprigs of rosemary are often worn on lapels and in New Zealand poppies have taken on this role.


    In Australia and New Zealand, Anzac Day commemoration features solemn "Dawn Services", a tradition started in Albany, Western Australia on 25 April 1923 and now held at war memorials around both countries, accompanied by thoughts of those lost at war to the ceremonial sounds of The Last Post on the bugle. The fourth stanza of Laurence Binyon's poem For the Fallen (known as the "Ode of Remembrance") is often recited.


    Anzac Day is a National public holiday and is considered one of the most spiritual and solemn days of the year in Australia. Marches by veterans from all past wars, current serving members of the Australian Defence Force, cadets, scouts, guides and other uniformed service groups, are held in capital cities and towns nationwide. The Anzac Day Parade from each state capital is televised live with commentary. These events are followed generally by social gatherings of veterans, hosted either in a pub or in an RSL Club, often including a traditional Australian gambling game called two-up, which was an extremely popular pastime with ANZAC soldiers. The importance of this tradition is demonstrated by the fact that though most Australian states have laws forbidding gambling outside of designated licensed venues, on Anzac Day it is legal to play "two-up".

    Although Australia's official National day is in fact Australia Day, many Australians have now come to regard Anzac Day as the true National day of the country. Despite federation being proclaimed in Australia in 1901, many argue the "National identity" of Australia was largely forged during the violent conflict of World War I and the most iconic event in the war for most Australians was the landing at Gallipoli. Dr. Paul Skrebels of the University of South Australia has noted that Anzac Day has grown in popularity; even the threat of a terrorist attack at the Gallipoli site in 2004 could not deter some 15,000 Australians from making the pilgrimage to Turkey to commemorate the fallen ANZAC troops, The Age newspaper reported."
  6. Our Vicar is a former Padre from the Australian Army, and we (a number of the military community where i live) are attending our own Dawn Service, c/w Gunfire.
    Didn't half get a funny look off of the woman at the checkout this evening only buying 4 little packets of rosemary.
  7. Just returned from RSA, hic, been up since 5.00, for 5.40 kick off, only downer was the Pipes caterwallin' in my lug hole.
    Lovely girt big bang from a 25 Pounder Gun nearly made me touch cloth as well, Kiwi gunners gotta love 'em.
    Off for a snooze.
  8. I have the day off today and had the full intention of gettin some jobs done that i can get out of the way so i don't get into trouble for not spending the weekend with the outlaws, but after more than one gunfire and then an enormous aussie breakfast with the padre an the others from the service, and only coming home to change into something more comfortable, the padre announced his intention to show us a proper Anzac day and to not expect to be finished till the wee small hours of the morning. Well i was lookin for an excuse to not see the mother in law!
  9. Enjoy your weekend , Mate :wink:
  10. What's the rosemary for? I thought gunfire was just tea and rum?
  11. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    The rosemary is worn in the same way as Brits wear Poppies. It's a reminder of the flora at Gallipoli.
  12. The Aussie & Kiwi come together about 6.30 pm
    here in lagos for a service and head on for a beer after.

    As a old fart Pom who soldiered in the Far East with them in bygone
    days I always get an invite.

    In memory of some great guys who gave
    the ultimate sacrifice and those who have
    been wounded
  13. I'm sure the French remember it in there own way. However teh Diggers and Kiwis are allowed to remember it their way. Hence they, and we remember it as ANZAC day.
  14. I was in Kings Park in Perth a few weeks ago and I was very impressed with the memorials to the Australian Forces, see pictures on link below.

    What impressed me the most though were the plaques at the base of each tree which bore the name and service details of each individual sailor, soldier and airman killed.

    I believe that Australians in general show a great deal of respect for their forces and veterans. Good on ya! :D
  15. 06:00 for our local Dawn Service, cold, clear skies and windy.

    But what nong thinks that "Amazing Grace" on the pipes is de rigeur these days for any and every Dawn Service? PITA, and totally out of line, IMHO.