Anyone see the Ospreys over London tonight?

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  1. Flew almost right over my house, headed north; two dark green Osprey things - those tilt rotor aircraft.

    I was not aware anyone had them in service yet, but then I admit I don't know much of such things.

    Just thought I'd mention it.
  2. Seen!

    Just passed over my house now SW London.

    Wonder what they are doing in London?

  3. They are at the Farnborough Airshow as i live within spitting distance I have seen them often as they explore little old Hampshire.
  4. Saw them yesterday at fairford, I want one ! :?
  5. Coming back the other way now.......
  6. Apparently the USMC has brought 300+ of them,to replace some helicopter, thats not a Chinook, but looks like one?,(sorry not a spotter) thats according to the handout I was given, by some bloke standing next to it at fairford.
  7. I was chatting to one of the pilots on friday. They flew direct from US to UK averaging 300 kts per hour, they refuelled in flight 4 times but he reckoned that if push came to shove they would of only needed one suck of gas to make it. They are awesome bits of kit but too expensive for us.
  8. Took this picture...

  9. Im in SW London too... looked like they were flying a pattern of sorts. Came over me three maybe four times each time a bit further away, if you see what i mean.

    Oh well, thats about as exciting as my days gotten... :roll:
  10. Hmmm......... New Dark Green Osprey = Old Black Helicopter?
  11. Saw a pair of them near Alexandra Palace about 1900. Didn't have a clue what they were, but looking at the photo, that was definitely them!

  12. "Apparently the USMC has brought 300+ of them,to replace some helicopter, thats not a Chinook, but looks like one?,(sorry not a spotter) "

    Replacing the CH-46 Sea Knight, as the CV-22 Osprey. Special Forces get the MV-22, with refuelling boom and more avionics...

    Knowing which makes me a spotter, I guess.

    Cool looking things though!
  13. Wonder if the MOD will buy any? Of course there will be the usual tri service fight if they do, AAC, FAA and RAF all saying it must be their train set
  14. Remember that the pilots are there as salesmen, Floppyjockey.

    Well, it looks like that after 20 years of development they think they've finally figured out a way of stopping them falling out of the sky at the most inopportune moments. However:

    The current price tag is ridiculous. The USMC will say that the unit cost is about $40m a piece, but in actual fact the real number is around $80m. Last month, a measure in the recently passed $97bn emergency supplimental appropriations bills cut $230m that would have been spent on NVGs, light armour and replacement equipment and re-appropriated it for the acquisition of 3 Ospreys. (Got to keep the pork rolling in during an election year.)

    As it is, the Osprey is twice as big and costs about four times as much as a helicopter with similar lifting capabilities. It's going to be one big fcuk-off target. The only place you can fit guns will be on the rear ramp because of the obstruction of the nacelles and props and you can only fastrope from the ramp, no lower than 100ft AGL, because of the horrendous downdraft. If you don't want to spend 3-5 mins in the hover at 100ft to disembark 18 fastroping troops, then you WILL have to land- no letting the self-lading freight jump from a few feet because the downwash will knock them all over the shop (which is why the USAF is buying more helicopters for the CSAR role). Picking people up from rooftops, hills and anywhere snowy, dusty or sandy etc. will be very interesting too.

    Other things to consider:

    1. Even though the Osprey has been cleared for full scale production, its only half as reliable as the CH-53E (similar empty weight and engine power).

    2. It has an advertised dash speed (unladen) of 300kts at 20,000ft (not that this matters because the cabin isn't pressurised) but it cruises at 220- not much faster than modern helicopters. An OPEVAL in June last year saw the a/c demonstrate only 240kts at 3000ft at full pelt.

    3. The CH-46's cabin is 70% bigger by volume and the Osprey only has 50% of the floor space.

    4. The aircraft cannot autorotate. Nice to know in a hot LZ.

    5. Manoeuvrability is shite compared to a helicopter, especially at slow speed/VTOL mode, due to very restrictive g-limitations. Something else to consider when you go somewhere where people are likely to be shooting at you.

    6. The US Navy's own study to measure the transport effectiveness of the the V-22 compared to the CH-53E (speed x payload= ton miles per hour) rated the Super Stallion 1.66 times more effective. The '53E can carry twice as much payload to the same range and is 2.3 times as cost-effective as the Osprey.

    There's lots more where that came from, but I'm sure you get the picture. Looks nice, but it's crap. Even Dick Cheney himself tried to bin it in 1989. It was only Congress and the Pork Barrell that kept it going.
  15. Yeah, I heard this really low sounding rumbling, unlike anything else I have heard, just after 19:00. Then I saw the 2 flying in a South direction over Waterloo where I took the picture.