Anyone remember Tiananmen?

If you're old enough to remember now, chances are that in a generation, the majority of the world's population won't. The CCP's version of 'cancel' culture?

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.Source:Supplied

'There will be an eerie silence at Hong Kong’s Victoria Park tonight, where tens of thousands of protesters usually gather each year to remember those who were killed in one of the most shameful events in China’s history — the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

'Just two years ago, 180,000 people attended the annual vigil remembering the 1989 bloodbath that shocked the world. But anyone who dares show their face at the site today will face up to five years in prison. Even talking about the event could lead to one year in jail under Hong Kong’s harsh National Security law — brought in last year despite massive pro-democracy protests.

'It all has nothing to do with Covid-19 either. The city has managed the pandemic well, there have been no cases in over a month and social distancing rules have been eased. Instead of the traditional scenes of Hong Kongers coming together and holding candles to remember those who died 32 years ago, there will be a brute show force. Thousands of police will stand at Victoria Park in a show of force that makes it clear that China will no longer tolerate discussion of the massacre. In a sign of just how seriously it is taking this year’s protests, police in Hong Kong made a bizarre arrest of an activist known as “Grandma Wong” over the weekend. The 65-year-old’s alleged crime was holding an “unauthorised assembly” — even though she was sat alone on the footpath carrying a yellow umbrella and a homemade cardboard sign. Another nearby protester was fined for handing out electric candles and matchboxes marked “never surrender” to mark the event.

'In Macau, police also banned the vigil for the second time. Last year authorities blamed covid. But this year, they are claiming the event’s purpose and slogans would violate local criminal laws, including inciting subversion and defamation. Discussion about the infamous massacre of largely unarmed protesters on June 4, 1989 — particularly Beijing’s decision to use tanks and troops against them — is all but forbidden on the mainland. The massacre was precipitated by the peaceful gatherings of students, workers, and others in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square and other Chinese cities in April 1989. They were calling for freedom of expression, accountability, and an end to corruption. The government responded to the intensifying protests in late May 1989 by declaring martial law. On June 3 and 4, the military opened fire and killed untold numbers of peaceful protesters and bystanders. In Beijing, some citizens attacked army convoys and burned vehicles in response to the military’s violence.

'The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has since forbidden discussion of the massacre and has taken extreme measures to block or censor information related to it.'


 
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TamH70

MIA
If you're old enough to now, chances are that in a generation, the majority of the world's population won't. The CCP's version of 'cancel' culture?

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.Source:Supplied

'There will be an eerie silence at Hong Kong’s Victoria Park tonight, where tens of thousands of protesters usually gather each year to remember those who were killed in one of the most shameful events in China’s history — the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

'Just two years ago, 180,000 people attended the annual vigil remembering the 1989 bloodbath that shocked the world.
But anyone who dares show their face at the site today will face up to five years in prison. Even talking about the event could lead to one year in jail under Hong Kong’s harsh National Security law — brought in last year despite massive pro-democracy protests.

'It all has nothing to do with Covid-19 either. The city has managed the pandemic well, there have been no cases in over a month and social distancing rules have been eased. Instead of the traditional scenes of Hong Kongers coming together and holding candles to remember those who died 32 years ago, there will be a brute show force. Thousands of police will stand at Victoria Park in a show of force that makes it clear that China will no longer tolerate discussion of the massacre. In a sign of just how seriously it is taking this year’s protests, police in Hong Kong made a bizarre arrest of an activist known as “Grandma Wong” over the weekend. The 65-year-old’s alleged crime was holding an “unauthorised assembly” — even though she was sat alone on the footpath carrying a yellow umbrella and a homemade cardboard sign. Another nearby protester was fined for handing out electric candles and matchboxes marked “never surrender” to mark the event.

'In Macau, police also banned the vigil for the second time. Last year authorities blamed covid. But this year, they are claiming the event’s purpose and slogans would violate local criminal laws, including inciting subversion and defamation. Discussion about the infamous massacre of largely unarmed protesters on June 4, 1989 — particularly Beijing’s decision to use tanks and troops against them — is all but forbidden on the mainland. The massacre was precipitated by the peaceful gatherings of students, workers, and others in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square and other Chinese cities in April 1989. They were calling for freedom of expression, accountability, and an end to corruption. The government responded to the intensifying protests in late May 1989 by declaring martial law. On June 3 and 4, the military opened fire and killed untold numbers of peaceful protesters and bystanders. In Beijing, some citizens attacked army convoys and burned vehicles in response to the military’s violence.

'The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has since forbidden discussion of the massacre and has taken extreme measures to block or censor information related to it.'



Even that piccy is a cropped, edited version for mass consumption. The piccy taken by the subject of this BBC obit is what it originally looked like:


And go to 39 seconds into the video clip on that page for full-motion video of what that absolute legend confronted.
 
The Chinese Communist Party is a bunch of self-serving thugs who will accept no challenge to their authority, they will imprison, torture and murder anyone who dares criticize or oppose their will, and then lie through their teeth about it afterwards. That is a simple statement of fact.

But (you knew there would be a but),

The western media did not, and has not since, properly reported what actually happened on that night (actually more than one night). The western narrative was always a simple one, the students were in Tiananmen Square demanding democracy and suddenly the PLA came roaring in with tanks and crushed them brutally killing thousands. A simple narrative, nice liberal, peaceful students machine-gunned and squashed by invading tanks.

In fact it would appear that this is not what happened at all. The students were certainly cleared from the Square but actually with very few casualties, some western sources now concede that it's possible no one was actually killed in Tiananmen Square at all.

People were killed in Beijing over the course of those nights but they were killed nowhere near the Square. So what? Why does that matter? Well because among the many people killed, nowhere near as many killed as the civilians to be clear, were soldiers, and dozens of PLA trucks and APCs were destroyed. Reports are that a battle raged throughout the day in Beijing after the clearing of the Square with shellfire being directed at PLA armour but few if any western reporters ventured out to cover what was going on.

The point is, the narrative we have been fed, not by conspiracy in any way, more by simple laziness on the behalf of reporters looking to make a nice simple black-and-white story of good versus bad, is simply wrong. Some seriously awful stuff went down in Beijing during those nights, but it for the most part did not happen in Tiananmen Square and it did not involve peaceful students but more likely some sort of popular armed uprising that was suppressed with brutal force by the Chinese politburo.

Maybe it doesn't make a difference in the end but I just wish we could get clearer picture from the media what really happened instead of continuing to spoonfeed the stylised, romanticised version.
 
The Japanese committed a horrific war crime known as the Rape of Nanking.
They committed an equally heinous crime known as the Rape of Manila.
So why has everybody heard of Nanking, yet few, it seems, of Manila atrocity?

Could it be that it's long been in China's interest to stoke the flames on the Rape of Nanking, not least of all to deflect attention away from the millions of their own citizen's killed in their own massacres?
 
The Japanese committed a horrific war crime known as the Rape of Nanking.
They committed an equally heinous crime known as the Rape of Manila.
So why has everybody heard of Nanking, yet few, it seems, of Manila atrocity?

Could it be that it's long been in China's interest to stoke the flames on the Rape of Nanking, not least of all to deflect attention away from the millions of their own citizen's killed in their own massacres?
Mao casts a very long shadow.
 
Deeply depressing that the commemoration in HK is now banned. Interesting thought: nobody knows who tank man is. None of the vast number of trials held in the PRC after the event dealt with him, and he never turned up in exile. It's possible he was disappeared, it's also possible he hid in plain sight and is somewhere in China.
 
Deeply depressing that the commemoration in HK is now banned. Interesting thought: nobody knows who tank man is. None of the vast number of trials held in the PRC after the event dealt with him, and he never turned up in exile. It's possible he was disappeared, it's also possible he hid in plain sight and is somewhere in China.

Hong Kong activist detained amid Tiananmen vigil clampdown​

Chow Hang Tung was reportedly arrested for organizing and promoting what police say was unauthorized assembly. Authorities had banned the annual vigil to commemorate the victims of the deadly Tiananmen Square crackdown.

Hong Kong activist detained amid Tiananmen vigil clampdown | DW | 04.06.2021
 

Chef

LE
Was it really thirty years ago? Time moves on, yet much remains the same.

If it had happened ten or so years earlier that photo would've been on the shelves of Athena shops across the country.

I doubt it would have been found on many student's bedroom walls though. Posters of Che are fine, a lone man in front of communist tanks less so.
 
I remember the video of the tanks being broadcast and having a newspaper print the obvious picture in colour the following day.
There was an awful lot of other stuff aired (mostly audio) from the venue.
 
People were killed in Beijing over the course of those nights but they were killed nowhere near the Square. So what? Why does that matter? Well because among the many people killed, nowhere near as many killed as the civilians to be clear, were soldiers, and dozens of PLA trucks and APCs were destroyed. Reports are that a battle raged throughout the day in Beijing after the clearing of the Square with shellfire being directed at PLA armour but few if any western reporters ventured out to cover what was going on.

So, in your worldview, how many casualties does it take to precipitate at massacre? And yes, I know it's Wiki, but cites sources, rather than just throwing a denial out there.

'Official CCP announcements shortly after the event put the number who died at around 300. At the State Council press conference on June 6, spokesman Yuan Mu said that "preliminary tallies" by the government showed that about 300 civilians and soldiers died, including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with some people he described as "ruffians".[192][201] Yuan also said some 5,000 soldiers and police were wounded, along with 2,000 civilians. On June 19, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government's confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (of which 36 were students), 10 PLA soldiers, and 13 People's Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded.[154][202] Mayor Chen Xitong said on June 30 that the number of injured was around 6,000.[201]'

 

Chef

LE
Isn't also around this time that Peking started being called Beijing?
 

TamH70

MIA
Isn't also around this time that Peking started being called Beijing?

Yep. By the Beeb at first, if I recall correctly.

I still call it Peking as I'm a bluff old traditionalist, me.
 
If you're old enough to remember now, chances are that in a generation, the majority of the world's population won't. The CCP's version of 'cancel' culture?

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.

The famous ‘tank man’ image shows a man confronting the military at Tiananmen Square in 1989.Source:Supplied

'There will be an eerie silence at Hong Kong’s Victoria Park tonight, where tens of thousands of protesters usually gather each year to remember those who were killed in one of the most shameful events in China’s history — the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

'Just two years ago, 180,000 people attended the annual vigil remembering the 1989 bloodbath that shocked the world. But anyone who dares show their face at the site today will face up to five years in prison. Even talking about the event could lead to one year in jail under Hong Kong’s harsh National Security law — brought in last year despite massive pro-democracy protests.

'It all has nothing to do with Covid-19 either. The city has managed the pandemic well, there have been no cases in over a month and social distancing rules have been eased. Instead of the traditional scenes of Hong Kongers coming together and holding candles to remember those who died 32 years ago, there will be a brute show force. Thousands of police will stand at Victoria Park in a show of force that makes it clear that China will no longer tolerate discussion of the massacre. In a sign of just how seriously it is taking this year’s protests, police in Hong Kong made a bizarre arrest of an activist known as “Grandma Wong” over the weekend. The 65-year-old’s alleged crime was holding an “unauthorised assembly” — even though she was sat alone on the footpath carrying a yellow umbrella and a homemade cardboard sign. Another nearby protester was fined for handing out electric candles and matchboxes marked “never surrender” to mark the event.

'In Macau, police also banned the vigil for the second time. Last year authorities blamed covid. But this year, they are claiming the event’s purpose and slogans would violate local criminal laws, including inciting subversion and defamation. Discussion about the infamous massacre of largely unarmed protesters on June 4, 1989 — particularly Beijing’s decision to use tanks and troops against them — is all but forbidden on the mainland. The massacre was precipitated by the peaceful gatherings of students, workers, and others in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square and other Chinese cities in April 1989. They were calling for freedom of expression, accountability, and an end to corruption. The government responded to the intensifying protests in late May 1989 by declaring martial law. On June 3 and 4, the military opened fire and killed untold numbers of peaceful protesters and bystanders. In Beijing, some citizens attacked army convoys and burned vehicles in response to the military’s violence.

'The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has since forbidden discussion of the massacre and has taken extreme measures to block or censor information related to it.'


Microsoft has all but removed 'Tank Man' from its search engine with only Wikipedia's data still showing up in that search
 

endure

GCM
Isn't also around this time that Peking started being called Beijing?
Think yourself lucky that the capital city of Thailand is still called Bangkok in the west. The Thai name of their capital city is...

Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit

;-)
 
So, in your worldview, how many casualties does it take to precipitate at massacre? And yes, I know it's Wiki, but cites sources, rather than just throwing a denial out there.

'Official CCP announcements shortly after the event put the number who died at around 300. At the State Council press conference on June 6, spokesman Yuan Mu said that "preliminary tallies" by the government showed that about 300 civilians and soldiers died, including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with some people he described as "ruffians".[192][201] Yuan also said some 5,000 soldiers and police were wounded, along with 2,000 civilians. On June 19, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government's confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (of which 36 were students), 10 PLA soldiers, and 13 People's Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded.[154][202] Mayor Chen Xitong said on June 30 that the number of injured was around 6,000.[201]'


Most of the fighting happened elsewhere in Beijing, especially on Chang'an Avenue where the Beijing protestors blocked the PLA main axis of advance, and around police stations, barracks, and CCP institutions. This was also true in most Chinese cities - after the students, the urban workers rebelled but the countryside and the army didn't.

The core group of rebels camped around the statue on the square itself were spared after negotiations at the last minute revealed quite how many of them were the kids of the top leadership. The camps built by their university colleagues and trade union allies got the good news shortly before that.

One reason why the PLA began shooting at journalists when it did may have been to cover up both the massacre on the axis of advance and that they were going to let some people walk.

Hu Xijin, current editor of Global Times and key wolf-warrior propagandist is one of those guys - just walked away and made a career as a shill for the system. Ain't that nice.
 
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