anyone know what type of Smock/ DPM camo variation this is?

#1
Hey guys, sorry if this is the wrong forum.

My cadet squadron were doing a sale of fairly old combats and I came across this odd looking heavy weight smock, I bought it for the winter months when it would be cold.

anyway I've been out of cadets for some time now, trying to get fit to go into the Army after college, and I forgot I had this until yesterday.

I'm just trying to figure out how old it is, i'm not sure if it's 1985 or 1990 pattern

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what do you guys think?
 
#4
I'm surprised as it's been exposed to oxygen that it hasn't just biodegraded into dust. possibly the worst pattern of combat kit ever issued. The skin tight trousers with pockets wider than the legs were of particular comedy value. Dont worry about throwing it away, just leave it in the sun and it will be gone by tomorrow night.
 
#5
Does it have a half lining?
I believe so, it's a thick, white coloured half lining. with some sort pocket at the bottom.

@mr common sense, I know what you mean about the pockets, not so much had the falling apart issue though.

is it really that bad? i've had this for a fair while with a lot of use, not much issue.
 

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#6
The 'some sort of pocket at the bottom' thing is so you can wear it like a nappy. If you undo the two buttons, pass the flap through your legs ( from back to front ) and fasten the flap to the corresponding two buttons at the inner front, you will see the combat nappy effect. It's awesome.

If the two buttons at the front inner are missing it means some pikey in the past has cut them off to use when they lost a button. ******* chippies.
 
#8
IIRC that pattern of smock didnt have the 'tail' and only the Para smock has since the double lined, flat pocketed combats of the early eighties.


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#9
The 'some sort of pocket at the bottom' thing is so you can wear it like a nappy. If you undo the two buttons, pass the flap through your legs ( from back to front ) and fasten the flap to the corresponding two buttons at the inner front, you will see the combat nappy effect. It's awesome.

If the two buttons at the front inner are missing it means some pikey in the past has cut them off to use when they lost a button. ******* chippies.
Wasn't that the much better 68 pattern? I couldn't believe it when I was issued the 85. I always assumed that was a crude form of poacher's pocket. Never bloody used it, mind.
 
#10
A lot used to cut that back poachers pocket waste of time thing out because, it was errr, a waste of time. That kit used to develop holes that were like battery acid splashes even if it had never been anywhere near battery acid.
The trousers were so tight that even if you wanted to put on the daft "ho chi min" chinese fighting suit on then there was no way you would ever have got them on. Did anybody actually wear the trousers?
 
#11
No wah, but when I was a cadet in 1986, we had a limited issue of these smocks for the senior cadets (the rest were still getting the 2 pocket cadet smock in DPM)

My mate had one issued from stores that had 2 left arms! And inside the packet was a sticker with 'Quality controlled and inspected' written on it!

Right shite they were. Bin it and get yourself an old RM windproof for that classic ally look.

Remember: Allyness saves lives
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#12
The 'some sort of pocket at the bottom' thing is so you can wear it like a nappy. If you undo the two buttons, pass the flap through your legs ( from back to front ) and fasten the flap to the corresponding two buttons at the inner front, you will see the combat nappy effect. It's awesome.

If the two buttons at the front inner are missing it means some pikey in the past has cut them off to use when they lost a button. ******* chippies.
It's already been shown that you're talking about a previous version but there's a correction to make:

"If the six buttons at the front inner are missing..."

Looks like you bought yours from some pikey who has been replacing lost buttons...

Despite what others have said, the crotch flap was very useful. It provided a source of fabric for patching tears.


...but that was in the days when you'd go to the CQMS to exchange a ripped jacket and instead be handed a square of fabric and told to repair it yourself. Exchange was only permitted when patches overlapped. :sad:
 
#13
A lot used to cut that back poachers pocket waste of time thing out because, it was errr, a waste of time. That kit used to develop holes that were like battery acid splashes even if it had never been anywhere near battery acid.
The trousers were so tight that even if you wanted to put on the daft "ho chi min" chinese fighting suit on then there was no way you would ever have got them on. Did anybody actually wear the trousers?
That poachers pocket was excellent for carrying a folded up poncho though.

Only ever used it when being forced to frig about doing E&E silliness around Vogelsang but still it did have its uses.
 
#14
1988 Pattern. I had one once, you don't see that many of them. The pockets aren't flappy, more baggy, like the windproof smock. The material was a little better than the 85 stuff.
 
#17
The 'some sort of pocket at the bottom' thing is so you can wear it like a nappy. If you undo the two buttons, pass the flap through your legs ( from back to front ) and fasten the flap to the corresponding two buttons at the inner front, you will see the combat nappy effect. It's awesome.
You sure? Earlier pattern, yes, but this version the flap is extremely wide so unless you are a split arse, I would be amazed if you can pass that bewtween your legs comfortably. If I remember, its about 20-22" wide where it joins the bottom of the jacket and stitched a little way up the sides. We always used it as a pillow by rolling up the jacket and folding it inside the flap.

The previous pattern has a proper "crotch strap" that had button holes and was aboput 9 inches wide. We used to sew the buttons on the outside of the jacket and fold the flap up so it was on show "like the paras". But we were tough Junior Soldiers :)

You can just see the crotch strap on this 60's pattern jacket..
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/RichardC/media/uk_dpm_back.jpg.html
 
#18
You sure? Earlier pattern, yes, but this version the flap is extremely wide so unless you are a split arse, I would be amazed if you can pass that bewtween your legs comfortably. If I remember, its about 20-22" wide where it joins the bottom of the jacket and stitched a little way up the sides.
I'd be amazed too. Because it's a pocket, not a flap. The stitching up the sides goes all the way up the sides and there are no buttons on the inside of the front. If you sewed your own buttons on, you'd have to pull the front of the jacket up to waist height at the back, putting you into that strange hunched position so favoured by the GPMG No.2 with a box of ammo in each hand.

Not that I ever tried it.


The 68 pattern had a poacher's pocket and a crotch flap. The pocket was divided into two - a large section and a small section. I never used the large pocket but the small one was my storage place for bog roll - unwound from the cardboard tube and sealed in a poly bag.
 
#19
Was there not a clue in the tone of my combat nappy post?

Thick as ******* mince, some of you.
 
#20
Was there not a clue in the tone of my combat nappy post?

Thick as ******* mince, some of you.
The clue in your combat nappy post was that you were talking about a pattern that wasn't the one in the pic.

You had to be there, man...
 

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