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Anyone know anything about 19th Century Ship Steam Engines?

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Hi,

The attached photo shows the recently recovered remains of an 1890s cargo ship that was used as a blockship during the First World War.

There's an anchor coming in from centre-left below which is an object with a rectangular face-plate.

A crew member on the barge carrying the remains said it was an "engine rocker". I've done some googling but probably didn't use the right keywords because I'm still none the wiser.

The crew member said the section above the anchor shank is the curved arch of the wreck's stern, with the vertical section on the right being the bottom of the keel above which (ie to the left) the rudder was once fixed.

The chap also said that other members of the crew thought the squat L-shaped item at top left may be the top of the rudder post (ie the rudder once lay between it and the bottom of the keel to the right).

Can anyone identify, or confirm, what the objects in the photo are, please?

John Latter / Jorolat
 

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jim24

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#7
The large curved piece could be one of the mounts for a boiler it looks a bit big for the piston cylinder mount
 
#8
Thanks for the images, Jim :)

I don't know anything about engines myself, but the crew member did say the section above the anchor shank in the photo is the curved arch of the wreck's stern, with the vertical section on the right being the bottom of the keel.

John
 

jim24

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#11
Steam engine connection rods are nothing like the piston con rods in a modern petrol or diesel engine, and having worked on quite a few I would say its from a late 19th century as stated it would be interesting to know something about the wreck, what kind of ship it was, if it was screw or paddle driven, Where it was built,ect as these would all help to to find out who built the engine, as then, as it is now there were not that many marine engine manufacturers
 

jim24

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#12
most people do not get the connection between steam engines and tanks, but the first tanks were built by Fosters who made Traction engines this one is a post 1916 model and that's why it has a tank on its front, it belongs to a bloke I know when we were at the Llandsyl steam fair earlier in the summer
 

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most people do not get the connection between steam engines and tanks, but the first tanks were built by Fosters who made Traction engines this one is a post 1916 model and that's why it has a tank on its front, it belongs to a bloke I know when we were at the Llandsyl steam fair earlier in the summer
You are Fred Dibnah arn't you!
 
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I would say its from a late 19th century as stated it would be interesting to know something about the wreck, what kind of ship it was, if it was screw or paddle driven, Where it was built,ect as these would all help to to find out who built the engine, as then, as it is now there were not that many marine engine manufacturers
The wreck is that of a First World War blockship which was sunk in 1915 in Dover Harbour, Jim.

Its currently in the process of being removed and I've uploaded some photos of the vessels involved in the operation under a Spanish Prince tag.

This is part of the caption to the Panorama of the First World War Spanish Prince Wreck Site photo:

The "Spanish Prince" was built in 1894 by Charles Connell and Company at Glasgow with a tonnage of 6505grt, a length of 450ft, a beam of 52ft 2in and a service speed of 11 knots. She was launched on Wednesday, 6th June 1894, and completed in the following August as the "Knight Batchelor" for Greenshields, Cowie & Co. of Liverpool, a company whose history goes back to 1795.

I've also attached a sonar image of the wreck taken a few years ago - it was this photo that originally got me interested!

Charles Lightoller also has a connection with the Spanish Prince (he was second mate on the RMS Titanic).

John
 

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#16
FFS that's brilliant, since I took early retirement I have been able to do all the crap that has interested me since childhood, diving, wreck finding, steam engines,traction engines, steam rollers, finding old Whitworth tools. and gauges ect, and mucking about with old engines. Fred Dibnah is a much missed old mate,spent many hours with him in beer tents at various steam fairs and shows
 
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Kirkz

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#17
Met Fred twice myself Jim :) top bloke and a legend! Think I've seen all his tv programs 3 or 4 times :)
 

TheIronDuke

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#18
Met Fred once. A canny lad but his tailor wants shooting. His Missus is still selling his DVD's and stuff around various northern steam / engine shows. That thing could be a steam conrod, probly is. As someone has pointed out, they are not figured like a car engine con rod, because they operated in a huge cylinder.

If you're interested in the engine, do a Google on stationary engine forums, and post there. If you are interested in marine archeology, you are in luck. I am an expert. You have found a load of rusty scrap at the bottom of a sea.

Hope this helps.
 

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