Anyone ID the Regiment from the uniform?

Caecilius

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To me, the width of the harp on the button appears to be too great for Royal Irish Regt. E2A: now that you've mentioned it, I can believe there's an 'S' on the shoulder title, so quite plausibly as you've said, 'RISH'.

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I agree the angle is closer to RIR but from the clearest button pic I think the ribbon appears to have three parts, and the harp strings appear not to be cut off diagonally by a wing. That's more consistent with Royal Irish I think. I also wouldnt expect the RIR to have a shoulder title ending in 'Irish' or light chevrons.


Once he gets it out the frame we'll probably discover we're all miles off and it's the Gibraltar Regiment, but still.
 
I agree the angle is closer to RIR but from the clearest button pic I think the ribbon appears to have three parts, and the harp strings appear not to be cut off diagonally by a wing. That's more consistent with Royal Irish I think. I also wouldnt expect the RIR to have a shoulder title ending in 'Irish' or light chevrons.
Another possibility, the London Irish Rifles?

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Or another variation on the harp theme, the Tyneside Irish battalions of the Northumberland Fusiliers, though by the metal shoulder titles below, it would appear that they would not have sported 'IRISH' as per the photo.

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rampant

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The middle photograph certainly looks like a harp to me. Royal Irish Rifles?
Yeah, definately more Harp like, the the top button is a lot clearer, looks like I is wrong
 

tgo

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If you get it out of the frame, try and get it on a flat bed scanner (most all in one printers can do this A4 size) and scan as high res as you can get it, that'll show a lot more detail.
 

mercurydancer

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And that's what makes ARRSE so great. It's just the breathtakingly formidable amount of in-depth and remarkably detailed knowledge that can come together to solve a particular "problem" like this one. And all on a completely voluntary basis.

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I totally agree, its almost a natiuonal resource, and some historians could not match it.
 

MrBane

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Nope, not in this thread - all related posts from when it went to the usual fuckery deleted from public view.

Let's keep this on track please - personal spats and love feuds can go elsewhere. :D
 

DaManBugs

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Nope, not in this thread - all related posts from when it went to the usual fuckery deleted from public view.

Let's keep this on track please - personal spats and love feuds can go elsewhere. :D
Thank you very much, Mr Bane!

MsG
 
If you get it out of the frame, try and get it on a flat bed scanner (most all in one printers can do this A4 size) and scan as high res as you can get it, that'll show a lot more detail.
Sort of hoping that once out of the frame, a name & regiment will be found on the back of the photograph.

If the Winchester photographer went to Peninsula Barracks to take a number of such photographs, he may well have ID'd each one thusly. It would also facilitate distribution to the pictured individuals by the CO/adjutant/RSM/OC on a battalion/company parade.

Once that detail is revealed, hopefully, @FourZeroCharlie will be kind enough to tell us all he can about the man's life, service and death.

Don't suppose it'll be that simple though.
 

MrBane

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Sort of hoping that once out of the frame, a name & regiment will be found on the back of the photograph.

If the Winchester photographer went to Peninsula Barracks to take a number of such photographs, he may well have ID'd each one thusly. It would also facilitate distribution to the pictured individuals by the CO/adjutant/RSM/OC on a battalion/company parade.

Once that detail is revealed, hopefully, @FourZeroCharlie will be kind enough to tell us all he can about the man's life, service and death.

Don't suppose it'll be that simple though.
It will take her a while to get the picture out, but will update, she sends her sincere thanks for all your help but for obvious reasons, I'll not be linking her* to this thread / forum / festering corner of the internet! She's going to head down to the library tomorrow to see what she can dig up.

*Nor posting her booby pics.
 

Cutaway

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It will take her a while to get the picture out, but will update, she sends her sincere thanks for all your help but for obvious reasons, I'll not be linking her* to this thread / forum / festering corner of the internet! She's going to head down to the library tomorrow to see what she can dig up.

*Nor posting her booby pics.
I'll look after her and help her get it out.
If it's too tight I'm sure I can remedy that, she'll be chuffed with the result.
 

DaManBugs

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If she can, she's going to open it up at the back and get the picture out for more detail.

It's not a small thing though!

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I honestly don't see the problem with removing the piccie. That brittle backing paper will have to go anyway, but the rest is really a five-minute (or less) job. The only possible difficulty could be the sprigs holding in the glass, mount and piccie. They might be rusty and need a bit of gentle persuasion. The frame itself is also brittle at the mitres (see the top right mitre in your piccie) due to the hoof-glue used at the time. All in all, demounting, cleaning, repairing and properly reframing is a 30-minute job. If you need any instruction, let me know.

MsG
 

ugly

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Moved to a more suitable forum
 
Has anyone noticed the badge on the left shoulder as you look at the picture. That will clear some things up as well as what's on the button which could be the standard GS cypher or a regimental badge.
The back of the piccie is also worth looking at as the answer might well be scribed on it.
 

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