Any RTMC bods use the forum?

#1
As the title says - I need some info about going on tour, as my unit says there's nothing available till at least next Oct, which I find a bit odd.......

Background : I turned down a Bastion ED slot on H17B to go with 5 Med Regt on H18, but didn't get selected for that, so now I'm trying to get another Bastion slot if I can......
 
#4
CMT1 (V), Civvie Paramedic (not that the Army recognises such things!!!!). Pte soldier (see previous comment - trainee nurses get at least LCpl and then full screw on qualification - not to mention the number of senior QA officers that trot around despite being the same A4C Pay Band as me, many with far less autonomy.......).

Anyway - as I say, anyone with any definitive info as to what Chilwell actually want, I'd be grateful to hear.......
 
#9
10-11 months?

Wowsers!

I did a reserve engagement in around 2000 and when I rang up about it, they pretty much said 'Can you start Monday?'

I think I was in Banja Napa about 7 weeks after making the call.
I've been trying to get away for nearly 3 years now - previous unit weren't really pro-active at all. New unit is far better, but things seem to have dried up.....
 
#11
If your unit says there is nothing available then there's nothing available.

It's not Thomas Cook. You missed your opportunity to go on Herrick 18 by your own admission.

As the last lot of TA were told who I've sent down to RTMC. " remember the unit who you are joining have x amount of regular soldiers who will gladly go at a moments notice"

There is limited jobs available and COs whether you like it or not will only take exceptional reservists. If you missed the boat then im afraid that's your lot, unless a trawl goes out, which for a butt **** Pte is pretty much nil.


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#12
If your unit says there is nothing available then there's nothing available.

It's not Thomas Cook. You missed your opportunity to go on Herrick 18 by your own admission.

As the last lot of TA were told who I've sent down to RTMC. " remember the unit who you are joining have x amount of regular soldiers who will gladly go at a moments notice"

There is limited jobs available and COs whether you like it or not will only take exceptional reservists. If you missed the boat then im afraid that's your lot, unless a trawl goes out, which for a butt **** Pte is pretty much nil.


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Oh dear....

My previous unit had been telling me 'nothing was available' for over two years - a fact I came to realise was utter bollocks when I bumped into other (civvy) paramedics on courses who were already in the pipeline for tours!

Oh - and all of us were/are 'butt **** privates' (because the Army has no concept of what a civvy Paramedic actually does), hence me asking here.

As for the 'exceptional reservists' quip - yep, I can see why that would be of importance - sadly, 'exceptional' only seems to apply to levels of fitness, not ability in role - certainly from my recent experience.

Sadly, the TA (and hence the Army) is going to lose a shit load of qualified and experienced clinicians unless they drop this 'butt **** private' stance (or promote in line with the QAs) - and the regular army doesn't have the numbers of similarly qualified bods to fill those gaps.

Anyway - once again, thanks for your input - shame you make yourself look like a **** with the insults......
 
#13
Oh dear....

My previous unit had been telling me 'nothing was available' for over two years - a fact I came to realise was utter bollocks when I bumped into other (civvy) paramedics on courses who were already in the pipeline for tours!


Don't listen to hear say


Oh - and all of us were/are 'butt **** privates' (because the Army has no concept of what a civvy Paramedic actually does), hence me asking here.


Boo hoo dry your eyes. Hand your bedding in. There is more to being an NCO than your trade.


As for the 'exceptional reservists' quip - yep, I can see why that would be of importance - sadly, 'exceptional' only seems to apply to levels of fitness, not ability in role - certainly from my recent experience.

Yes, and rightly so. Fitness underpins all aspects of soldiering. And there are many experienced regulars who have dealt with battlefield trauma who will gladly take your place.



Sadly, the TA (and hence the Army) is going to lose a shit load of qualified and experienced clinicians unless they drop this 'butt **** private' stance (or promote in line with the QAs) - and the regular army doesn't have the numbers of similarly qualified bods to fill those gaps.


No they won't, you are employed as A Pte. I suggest you find another means of gaining rank. Funnily enough to do that you will have to be fit.


Anyway - once again, thanks for your input - shame you make yourself look like a **** with the insults......

You make yourself look like a typical whinging STAB who thinks the world should revolve around you and your life.




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#14
Again - oh dear!

I can assure you that I don't expect, nor want, the world to revolve around my life - my life outside of green is pretty full on, thanks for asking.

Nor am I am 'whinging STAB'.

I couldn't give a flying fook about rank, only that having none seems to preclude me from deploying because muppets like you seem to think that rank = capabilities. Sadly, this view is also held by the Army in general, despite them freely giving 'rank' to lesser qualified and/or experienced QAs.

That isn't a 'wah', only a statement of fact. I don't begrudge the QAs who get rank thrown at them, but I do begrudge the inability of people to see past rank where clinical abilities are concerned - not that I'd suspect you would even begin to understand that, given your previous comments.

As for there being 'many experienced regulars who have dealt with battlefield trauma who will gladly take your place'. I'll beg to disagree on that, but that's another subject.

Re. the fitness - I'm plenty fit enough, despite being of advancing years, but I'm admittedly not as fit as many 20 something regulars (although I'd bet I'm fitter than some!) - the question you have to ask is, what's more important for a medic? Being able to tab around all day without breaking sweat, or having clincal knowledge and skills?

Of course, both would be ideal - but the former is far easier to achieve than the latter - and with people like you making the comments like you've posted above, then people like me with that clinical experience will start to wonder what the ******* point is......

Well done - now trot off back to your village before you find that a STAB idiot has taken your job!
 
#15
As a QA who has deployed operationally with a med regt rather than a Field Hospital because of my speciality, if you want to go out as a CMT 1 you'd almost certainly end up being out on patrol with infantry soldiers, carrying just as much weight as they do and having to be exactly as fit as they are.

In your trade fitness and clinical ability are equally important. However there are plenty of 19 and early 20s yr old regular privates and lance jacks who already have one or two tours under their belts, are CMT 1 and will already have seen more battle, blast and GSW trauma than a civilian paramedic will see in their entire career who are more than willing to go out again and do the job. Your statement regarding this is simply incorrect.

Who are they really more likely to take, them or you? I know who I'd rather take.
 
#16
1. I can carry weight. I am fit enough for role. I turned down a relatively cushy Bastion number because I WANT to go 'out on patrol' - that isn't the point I was making. The previous comment about 'exceptional' was where I brought fitness into it. An 'exceptional' soldier is not one who is just 'exceptionally fit'.

2. I have no doubt that many young CMTs have been on tours and seen trauma - some (but not all) will have seen more than 'a civilian paramedic'. Assumption on your part.......

3. 'I know who I'd rather take'? That's assuming you get the super fit, tour-experienced CMT ....... the reality is you're just as likely to get the (far more numerous) super fit yet clinical inexperienced CMT straight out of training....

Anyway - that really is starting to sound like a 'wah' now.

I started this thread to get a simple answer as to whether anyone knew if there was a way of checking for vacant slots that weren't being filled, other than the obvious which I've already tried before posting here, as I know from experience that RTMC often find themselves short-numbered when the deployments start.

It seems we have digressed.

Feel free to start another thread about the merits of Band 5 nurses, who need to ask a grown up for permission to give drugs, yet run around playing at officers, whilst us Band 5 'butt **** privates' just get on and do it.......

On second thoughts............ ;-)
 
#19
1. I can carry weight. I am fit enough for role. I turned down a relatively cushy Bastion number because I WANT to go 'out on patrol' - that isn't the point I was making. The previous comment about 'exceptional' was where I brought fitness into it. An 'exceptional' soldier is not one who is just 'exceptionally fit'.

2. I have no doubt that many young CMTs have been on tours and seen trauma - some (but not all) will have seen more than 'a civilian paramedic'. Assumption on your part.......

3. 'I know who I'd rather take'? That's assuming you get the super fit, tour-experienced CMT ....... the reality is you're just as likely to get the (far more numerous) super fit yet clinical inexperienced CMT straight out of training....

Anyway - that really is starting to sound like a 'wah' now.

I started this thread to get a simple answer as to whether anyone knew if there was a way of checking for vacant slots that weren't being filled, other than the obvious which I've already tried before posting here, as I know from experience that RTMC often find themselves short-numbered when the deployments start.

It seems we have digressed.

Feel free to start another thread about the merits of Band 5 nurses, who need to ask a grown up for permission to give drugs, yet run around playing at officers, whilst us Band 5 'butt **** privates' just get on and do it.......

On second thoughts............ ;-)

I'm not interested in the merits of Band 5 nurses, many who deploy, including myself, are significantly higher graded than that, and our military ranks sometimes don't remotely compare with our civilian jobs. However this fact doesn't bother me as I understand the role I fulfil out there, which is undertaken by people with equal (or more often lesser) rank to me, just as yours is. The band of a particular nurse in the NHS is wholly irrelevant.

You appear not to accept what you've been told about the number of highly trained experienced CMTs that there are, and the vast majority of inexperienced ones step up to the plate and provide exactly what they're supposed to, following the protocols they are taught. These people will always be taken in preference to a TA CMT.

Unless civvy paramedics have spent significant time somewhere like South Africa or in a war zone then they won't have seen the same amount of trauma as the majority of the CMTs who've been on Herrick, it just isn't there.

The NHS orthopod surgeons who I deployed with said they'd done more blast and traumatic amputations while in Bastion in 3mths than they had in the previous 15-20 yrs combined in the NHS.

Kybosh's point is that from your posts you don't understand what you're talking about with regards to being on tour as you haven't done one. A large number of the TA and more of the regulars on this board have done and from what I've seen of your postings on the topic he's right. Your attitude won't go down well with regular CMTs either.

The actual answer to your question is speak to your unit PSIs or PSAO. The information you want is to be found within 2 Med Bde and they'll be able to provide it for you.
 
#20
Final input from me on this, just to clarify your misconceptions.

I have been on tour previously.

I have seen blast and GSW injuries both on tour and in civvy street.

I do not for one second doubt that there are very good regular CMTs, many with lots of experience. But to say that these should be taken 'in preference' to TA CMTs as a blanket statement is to completely undermine the clinical assets that civvy paramedics can bring to the party - based purely on the fact that they are 'just' TA CMTs. It also doesn't take into consideration the simple fact that many of the regular CMTs do not have much in the way of patient contact apart from their times away on tour - that's a potential issue in anyone's book.

But that's symptematic of the problems with the TA AMS and the way that certain trades are seen both in the regs and the TA.

Re. the final point - as I've already made clear, I've spoken to the 'proper' channels and had always trusted them implicitley.

Sadly, that trust has, in the past, been misguided, hence my initial request.

Anyway - I'll wait out, although with the draw down on numbers and the fact that many regs need tours to avoid getting made redundant, I guess priorities get skewed.......
 
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