Any place for a bookish sort in the IntCorps?

slick

LE
Hi all,

I'm a current final year undergraduate, reading for a degree in what is effectively History and Classics. One option I've been looking at post-graduation is having a crack at applying to be an officer, with the intention of having a go at IntCorps selection assuming I get that far. I'll be the first to admit that my degree is hardly technical, and I'm definitely more academic than practical as a rule, having the general physique of a stick insect (though this is something I'm very much working on!). Obviously, the enemy won't be overly fearful of my in-depth knowledge of the political situation at Rome in 63 BC, but I do flatter myself to think that I've developed some skills of source analysis and evaluation, the processing and summarising of information etc, and I like to think that I'm fairly clued up on current affairs. Would these be the sorts of attributes -more general desirable officer characteristics notwithstanding- that would put me in good stead so far as my application is concerned, or would they be more after language (again, not sure Latin counts) or science types?

Thanks
Have you considered the RAF.... RAF Recruitment | Intelligence Officer | Royal Air Force
 
Hmm, much food for thought- you are most probably correct. I should add that I've also been looking at the Royal Logistics Corps, failing the IntCorps. I'm at something of a crossroads- my parents, lawyers themselves, want me to become a lawyer, which though remunerative sounds utterly dire. I'd personally rather not spend my most physically and mentally agile decades doing legal drafting, which is the single most dreary task known to mankind, but there we are (I've no doubt army life has its fair share of dull paperwork, but at least it, in theory, is for a higher purpose). I'm going to ring my local careers centre tomorrow and try to have a chat with someone about these issues- thanks for all your help!

If being a lawyer sounds utterly dire, cross it off your list now. You're not on this planet to fulfill other people's expectations.

I'd simply concentrate on getting into Sandhurst (with a Plan B as an Int Corps JNCO).

Sandhurst will be an eye opener, and you might be surprised where your real aptitudes lie, and what career interests develop.
 

Russ Abbot

Clanker
I had thought about it, but it is a jolly lonely job being a barrister (one in the family) + self-employment means less job security, and if you become a QC you have to bugger about in a silly wig. Not very fetching at all.
you could be potentially in charge of your own barristers chambers and staff, you would not have time to bugger about (wig or not), it is the antithesis of a lonely job if successful.
 

Cicero63

Swinger
If being a lawyer sounds utterly dire, cross it off your list now. You're not on this planet to fulfill other people's expectations.

I'd simply concentrate on getting into Sandhurst (with a Plan B as an Int Corps JNCO).

Sandhurst will be an eye opener, and you might be surprised where your real aptitudes lie, and what career interests develop.
Sound plan- I'll have a think. Thanks for the suggestions!
 

Bardeyai

Old-Salt
I shall take that as the insult it is meant to be, and move on. Such commentary from an evident popularis is to be ignored.
Err…Cicero, as the first of his gens to enter the senate, would be despised by the true optimates.
His big thing was “Concord of the orders”, so having a pop at my love of plebeians is hurtful. I’m going to speak to my mate, Clodius.
 

Cicero63

Swinger
Err…Cicero, as the first of his gens to enter the senate, would be despised by the true optimates.
His big thing was “Concord of the orders”, so having a pop at my love of plebeians is hurtful. I’m going to speak to my mate, Clodius.
Concordia Ordinum and Consensus Omnium Bonorum both include the plebeians accepting senatorial rule, and going along with Cicero's plan- all that don't can go hang. You bet Clodius, I raise you Milo.
 

Bardeyai

Old-Salt
Concordia Ordinum and Consensus Omnium Bonorum both include the plebeians accepting senatorial rule, and going along with Cicero's plan- all that don't can go hang. You bet Clodius, I raise you Milo.
Milo! That’s low. I take it back, a career in the Green Slime sounds right up your strasse.
 

Cicero63

Swinger
Milo! That’s low. I take it back, a career in the Green Slime sounds right up your strasse.
I'll say that in the interview; managed to convince someone on the internet using somewhat dodgy references to Roman history that I'm enough of a serpent to make my way in the Intelligence Corps.
 
I do flatter myself to think that I've developed some skills of source analysis and evaluation, the processing and summarising of information etc, and I like to think that I'm fairly clued up on current affairs

Understand that as an officer you will be a generalist people-manager, all real the hands-on int work will be done by Corporals. Same as in the Sigs the officers don't do any actual signalling and so on.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
And don't knock your knowledge of ancient Rome. In a while, @Sarastro will pop in to tell you how useful some of those "15th of March 44BC" skills could prove in the Intelligence Corps :D
Given how it turned out for them all, the Ides of March could indeed have been a plan devised by ancient Int Corps officers.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
or would they be more after language (again, not sure Latin counts) or science types?
This would be both wise and sensible, so no.

If you look at the bare statistics without worrying about causation, having an unrelated degree appears to be a desirable characteristic. If you bring causation into it too, Int Corps officer criteria have actually discriminated against people with relevant degrees. Yes, you did read that correctly.

There is a lot of sophistry about why this is a good idea, but since it's all bollocks, I won't bore you with it.
 
. . . . . . I'd personally rather not spend my most physically and mentally agile decades doing legal drafting, which is the single most dreary task known to mankind . . . . . . .
Hey I resemble that remark and ex green slime so be careful what you think, it may manifest itself! :D
 
Ha! Friend of mine at school had a plan of going for the RLC as an officer, so he could avoid being shot at in WW3 if we all got conscripted (he's convinced it is imminent). I more meant that the big picture stuff that their recruiting material claims they do sounds interesting and the sort of thing an analysis background might be good for- and I'm a pessimist about my own chances. Not sure I'd be any good at bomb disposal- shaky hands in spite of not drinking.
You may have ruled yourself out of Int Corps OR suitability there.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
You may have ruled yourself out of Int Corps OR suitability there.
On the other hand not drinking is bang on the current flavour of Andover brand KoolAid, so you're a shoo-in for Officer.
 
Hi all,

I'm a current final year undergraduate, reading for a degree in what is effectively History and Classics. One option I've been looking at post-graduation is having a crack at applying to be an officer, with the intention of having a go at IntCorps selection assuming I get that far. I'll be the first to admit that my degree is hardly technical, and I'm definitely more academic than practical as a rule, having the general physique of a stick insect (though this is something I'm very much working on!). Obviously, the enemy won't be overly fearful of my in-depth knowledge of the political situation at Rome in 63 BC, but I do flatter myself to think that I've developed some skills of source analysis and evaluation, the processing and summarising of information etc, and I like to think that I'm fairly clued up on current affairs. Would these be the sorts of attributes -more general desirable officer characteristics notwithstanding- that would put me in good stead so far as my application is concerned, or would they be more after language (again, not sure Latin counts) or science types?

Thanks
Von dem, was Du über dich selbst geschrieben hast, wurdest Du ja glücklich wenn Du einen Job als Müllentsorger bekommen könntest.
 
Von dem, was Du[*] über dich selbst geschrieben hast, wurdest Du ja glücklich wenn Du einen Job als Müllentsorger bekommen könntest.

Für Sie, mein Herr, ist der Kalte Krieg zu Ende.

*How very Bavarian.
 
Neither ancient nor foreign ways are surely the way to success in a future Home army, although I bow to both (neither helped me in any real way in my military or subsequent 'careers', unless Macchiavelli, or Ciceros's demise count). I do know that when 'satisfaction' with ones' employment is contemplated, that the actual operation of the function is both crucial and very, very satisfying; that while some chap at a desk far away who signs off on all that happens is probably left with a feeling of some emptiness at having merely signed and corrected grammar, but not done, dusted down and completed the operation. As one rises in any sort of job which involves this sort of process, the emptiness can overwhelm, even if the rewards rise and the acclamations do too, possibly at cost to the actual operator.

As a barrier-lifter at heart, and a conservatively-minded fellow by inclination, I have found that the higher in any organisation I rose (usually by accident or fine interview technique) I was less minded to apply compliance rules than those which my own conscience, training and experience demanded, and thereby found that my attitude to my function was less in favour with the mindsets which had little conscience, training and experience in the same field, but more inclined to the latest Managerial Fashions and Social Inclinations.

As a Security specialist, this may be of lesser contention to anyone involved in straightforward management (as, I've always thought, the Intelligence Corps officer corps have always been, despite considering themselves involved in anything so chic as 'Command'). The equivalent organisations in civilian life (any mining, banking, or heavy industry operator) require solid brain cell acquaintance of the basic, essential risks and costs.

And, in those fields (which probably include Policing, Secret Policing, and Spying) I would always tend to suggest starting at the bottom, not halfway up the social ladder, which is not halfway up the professional one. Word, bro.
 
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