Any JSP752 gurus around?

#1
As there doesnt seem to be any on ArmyNet and the answer i have got so far from the Admin office seems to suggest they arent too sure what to do in my case ;)

I seemingly eligible to claim for GYH as i recently got married and am serving married unaccompanied, the missus is living at home in our/her house (which is mortgaged).

So prior to disappearing on leave to get married (back in April) i was told i would just need a copy of the marriage certificate, a council tax bill showing my name on it and also a utility bill also with my name on it.

However the regulations changed on 01 May 09 for the qualification and also the eligibility of this allowance.

When i rocked up at the Admin office after getting back from leave i was told that i now needed a shed load of documentation, i have read the relevant chapters in JSP752 and either i am missing something but there is no mention of needing any of this paperwork for anything other than a privately maintained property which seems to be totally seperate from a 'family home'

The drama i have is that as it was/is her house the mortgage paperwork is held by her solicitor and is in her maiden name.

All the utility bills are in her married name but they dont show my name on them because 'all' the bills go through her bank account.

We haven't got a joint account as we keep our money seperate.

So all i have at the moment is a marriage certificate and a council tax statement showing my name on it as of the date we got married.

All my financial statements/accounts are registered at our home address.


So with all that in mind i am told that it will likely have to go to SPVA PACC for them to have a look at my case and that it could take months to sort out???


So is the situation being misread here? i can understand the new regulations for PMP's being implemented to stop single soldiers claiming for property that is being rented out, but as a married soldier do i really need all that paperwork when i have a marriage certificate with my address on it? :D

Any help is appreciated :)
 
#2
Sounds like someone is being slightly **** here.......unless your an admin nightmare to begin with ;0) However if you refer it up to PACC they have 10 days to acknowledge receipt then a further 10 days to answer. If all that your saying is correct then I see no reason for them not authorising this. Saying that there not normally known for being overly generous ;0)
 
#3
Many thanks for the reply,

All the requirements for documentation relate to a service person entitled to GYH(T) when they have a Privately maintained Property (PMP)

It makes no simple reference to a married soldier who is living unaccompanied in the Mess

It does mention the qualifying residence of which i am eligible as in the "family home".

05.0204. Qualifying Residence. The QRes must be where the Service person would live, but for the exigencies of the Service, and to which they return (and are capable of returning) during weekends, stand-down periods and periods of leave on a regular basis and therefore incur the travelling expenses which GYH Travel is designed to contribute towards. The QRes for the purpose of GYH Travel must be one of the following:

a. The Family Home.

b. Privately Maintained Property.

c. Residence at Work Address (RWA), but only in circumstances outlined at paragraphs 05.0210 and 05.0213.

These are as defined in Chapter 1 Section 2

It then states under the eligibility that i am indeed eligible as i am permitted to return home at weekends (of which i do pretty much every weekend).

ELIGIBILITY

05.0205. General. All Service personnel (including Reserve personnel, but not , Sponsored Reserves and Cadet Force Adult Volunteers) will be eligible to claim GYH Travel, subject to meeting the specific criteria at paragraph 05.0208 and all of the following general criteria:

a. The QRes is more than 50 miles from the Service person’s duty station. However, where the Service person has a family home or privately maintained property within 50 miles of their duty station, but their duties or the travel to work time preclude them from travelling daily from that property, authority to claim GYH Travel may be exceptionally granted by the SPVA Pay and Allowances Casework Cell (PACC).

b. The nature of their duties permits them to travel to their family home/privately maintained property at weekends and normal stand down periods.

And it then talks about the Privately maintained property, of which i am not claiming for as this is my family home where my wife lives.

05.0208. Privately Maintained Property (PMP). Where the QRes is a PMP, it must be a home which the Service person provides and maintains for their own occupancy (in accordance with paragraph 01.0240) and for which they have an enduring financial responsibility. The PMP must not be let and must be available for their occupation. Sub-tenancies held as part of the Rent a Room scheme do not qualify under this definition, neither do rental agreements for a sub-division of a property unless the sub-division is a fully self contained property in its own right with its own utilities, council tax etc. Service personnel who occupy a RWA and maintain a PMP will be eligible to claim GYH Travel from their duty station or RWA to their PMP, provided that they continue to meet the criteria at paragraph 05.0205. However, they will not be eligible for concurrent payment of Home to Duty (Private) (HDT(Private)) and GYH Travel. To prove entitlement for GYH Travel claims to a PMP the Service person is to provide originals of 4 of the documents listed below (one from each of the 3 groups, plus an additional one from any of the groups). The documents are to be in the name of the Service person and are to show the address of the PMP. The documents are to be provided on initial claim and where there is a change in personal circumstances which may affect entitlement.

a. Group One

Mortgage documents/Land Registry documents/Ground Rent.
Tenancy agreement including full details of the property.

b. Group Two

Utility bill (gas, electric, water, telephone but not mobile phone) (to be dated within the last 4 months).

Council Tax Bill (for the current year).

Buildings and/or contents insurance (for the current year).

Direct Debit or Giro bank evidence of payment of any of the above (to be dated within the last 4 months).

Evidence of inclusion on the current Electoral Register.

c. Group Three

Solicitor’s correspondence regarding the purchase or letting of the property

Estate Agent’s correspondence relating to the purchase or letter of the property

d. Statement from Service Person. If for whatever reason the Service person is unable to provide documentary evidence of entitlement for claims to a PMP, they may additionally submit a personal statement giving details of their enduring financial responsibility, their occupancy of that location or their commitment to travel. This is to be submitted to the SPVA PACC as casework (see paragraph 01.0108).
 
#4
Five, Didn't need to read your whole post, seen this a million times. Your interpretation is indeed correct. You DO NOT need to provide that paperwork for the FAMILY HOME. You will find however, that a lot of Sys Co-ords / RAOs like to interpret the rules any way they see fit.

Ask for a CO's interview and get the matter sorted. It probably wont even get to the CO once he/they get challenged and you throw the rules at them.

JT
 
#5
Roger that, i will tip my hat to the Admin office tomorrow.

In fairness the Admin staff arent actually getting funny about it, when i rocked up to get my paperwork sorted etc they started going on about the new regulations and a bit of head scratching went on, in short they are under the impression that i needed the paperwork etc but they couldnt be 100% sure.

I just wished they could have picked the phone up and got a definite answer, i am sure they could have better spent their time that they wasted on me, sorting some other poor sods pay out, i can wait for mine at least :)

Cheers for the replies

:)
 
#6
As stated by JT above you don't need to provide any paperwork to claim GYH in your situation. You are claiming it as a separation allowance and not to a PMP. Only single/married accomanied personnel claiming to a PMP must provide the new reams of paperwork.
 
#7
fivetodo said:
Roger that, i will tip my hat to the Admin office tomorrow.

In fairness the Admin staff arent actually getting funny about it, when i rocked up to get my paperwork sorted etc they started going on about the new regulations and a bit of head scratching went on, in short they are under the impression that i needed the paperwork etc but they couldnt be 100% sure.

I just wished they could have picked the phone up and got a definite answer, i am sure they could have better spent their time that they wasted on me, sorting some other poor sods pay out, i can wait for mine at least :)

Cheers for the replies

:)
Don't wait too long :)
 
#8
The requirement for utility bills etc pre-dates JSP 752 and it was a requirement to attach a copy (updated annually) to the AF 09621, when claiming.

As the majority of input these days is key stroke, rather than paperwork, it does not relieve Unit HR of the duty of verifying the facts prior to input. If to verify the facts they require a copy of a utility bill, or in this council tax bill (which is perfectly acceptable), I would support my Systems Sgt wholeheartedly as would the chain of command. (unless they are negligent in their duties).

There is currently a reigning in of claims and IR allowances, due to recent misapprropriation of substantial sums of cash. It would seem that MP's are not alone in milking it a little.

All of that said, a photocopy of your council tax bill, is sufficient proof that you would be resident at the property, subject to the requirements of the service.
 
#9
All done and dusted :)

Just rang the Admin office and told them the advice i had been given and got the response "well you never told us you were married and this was your family home" :D

End result, just bring your marriage certificate over, your council tax bill and a bank statement showing you at that address and we will sort it out for you :)

Cheers for the advice again guys :)
 
#10
Poacher said:
The requirement for utility bills etc pre-dates JSP 752 and it was a requirement to attach a copy (updated annually) to the AF 09621, when claiming.
If my memory serves me correct(which it normally does);

There was no such requirement within the Pay Warrant, RAAC and even the early editions of the 752. It was merely a sensible initiative brought in by most units, to stop people claiming fraudulently.

The only people that had to produce Council tax bills (by the book) were single personnel claiming GYH(SA) and possibly RILOR.
 
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