Any AD gurus that can help

#1
Quick question - With regard to Rapier, have the RA now taken over the control of this equipment from the RAF Regt, or are you both equipped with them.

One more - Medium and High level AD:- is this privided by the US in the form of Patriot, or do we own our own M/HLAD?

Thanks.
 
#2
16 Regt will be taking over the complete GBAD role in the very near future. That will mean there are only 4 batteries of Rapier available for in country and theatre AD. The UK has no Medium to High level AD assets. (Oh oh I am starting to sound like a manual!)
 
#3
OP_ACK said:
16 Regt will be taking over the complete GBAD role in the very near future. That will mean there are only 4 batteries of Rapier available for in country and theatre AD. The UK has no Medium to High level AD assets. (Oh oh I am starting to sound like a manual!)
Not strictly true, depending on what you class as AD. If pure GBAD then is true.

At the moment the UK only has VSHORAD and SHORAD (very short range and short range AD). HVM is pump against crossing targets, and has a ceiling of 1km IIRC (max range of about 4-5km), while Rapier has a max coverage of an umbrella of about 8km (cannot hit targets at 8km or higher though).

Our medium to high level AD is provided by the glorious boys and the flying machines of Crab Air. In the event of a big bust up, the cloggies are supposed to provide HAWK for medium level AD and the US gives Patriot.

So the answer for any budding terrorist is to steal a plane and come in from obove 10,000m.

Luckily there is no chance of that? Or of some nasty flareup escalating whereby johnny foriegner gets "given" some jets from Iran or some other cr@phole. The jets do not have to be very modern to be extremely effective politically.

Still, we could always send in another Harrier what?
 
#4
I was flicking through a mates Combat and Survival magazine (this months) the other day and there was an article about this but I didn't read it in depth, if your interested it might be worth getting a copy.
 
#6
sniffle-snaffle said:
all AD should be disbanded the bunch of cloud punching gays
You still here you cnut? I had hoped that you had been involved in a nasty accident with an industrial shredder.

So no AD required? There is a strong case to give it to the TA, but you must be as thick as you write if you believe that there is no requirement for AD.

Now do the world a favour and slit your own throat.
 
#7
Dread

Thanks for the correction to my post. Very informative. In addition, I agree to your comments regarding sniffle-snaffle.
 
#10
Tracked rapier went to the Gulf W1,12 REG I think,mostly saw them towed behind a REME foden recovery truck,something to do with their track mileage I was told.

Hezbollah had a go ,but with little or no success

I agree with Dread,ss your a bit of a c**t
 
#11
In no way am I an AD guru,Gunbunny born and bred.Just so you know!!
 
#12
Having worked at the Air Warfare Centre for a while, I suspect the collective wisdom from the gurus on the top floor was that AD is simply not required, for any conflict the UK commits to will be alongside our US 'colleagues'. The presumption being that we will share air superiority!

A crock of sh1t though methinks - so don't shoot the messenger!
 
#13
gulf war one it was deployed, as far as being fired my arse was it, because 10 bty attached to 40 regiment got the abuse the c*cks deserved
 
#14
HVM SP went on Telic 1, although they were all parked up next to the Hospital in Kuwait and the lads did POW handling.
 
#16
I was a Rapier gunner in the late 70s-mid 80s and I can confirm that it was the biggest pile of cr*p going. It was a complete cold war bluff,I dont remember it ever working and when it did work all you had to do was ceasefire and attempt to deploy again and f*ck me it didnt work.
This was potentially a very serious problem in 1983 when we deployed to San Carlos our kit which had only been on the hill side for ten months was completely knackered. we had the problem of doing Ts and As at first light to find it wasnt working , calling up a Helicopter to take the kit to workshops and when it got there it worked!! they sent it back up the hill and it was bolloxed again, unless it was just us who were doing it all wrong!
 
#17
sniffle-snaffle said:
parked up, but did they fire at anything
Actually I think I'm with SS on this one, lets sack them as they are never used



Whilst we are at it why not get rid of the Paras, I mean when did they last jump into combat?

Also nukes, feck me its was 1945 since we (well the yanks) last used one in anger, get rid of those

Submarines do feck as well. I mean the last time they sank a ship was the last time AD was used, so get rid


Oh and don't forget the Royal Horse Artillery, I mean when did they last use horse in battle ? Disband the lot and make them RA now that sounds a great idea
 
#18
roseandpose said:
Quick question - With regard to Rapier, have the RA now taken over the control of this equipment from the RAF Regt, or are you both equipped with them.

One more - Medium and High level AD:- is this privided by the US in the form of Patriot, or do we own our own M/HLAD?

Thanks.
You are correct in your assumption Roseandpose...
16 Regt will be taking over the reins from 26 Sqn at the end of this month at Mount Pleasant Complex in the Falklands....The re-rolling of the Raf Regiment i believe will be in a Force Protection roll in the future...As for the argument is Air Defence needed, well quite frankly YES..It is the most expensive piece of hardware the British Army own...all bar the Joint Eurofighter..in terms of Pounds sterling.....Rapier FSC is worth in the region of £30 Million per Detachment....Slightly more than an AS90 i'll wager.... :wink:...
As for the effective range for the weapon system, targets can be dual-engaged ie, two missiles in the air taking on two seperate targets out to a range of 8kms and max ceiling height of 10,000ft.(SHORAD) Any higher targets are taken out by Patriot and Hawk Batteries.
 
#19
dance_with_the_devil said:
roseandpose said:
Quick question - With regard to Rapier, have the RA now taken over the control of this equipment from the RAF Regt, or are you both equipped with them.

One more - Medium and High level AD- is this privided by the US in the form of Patriot, or do we own our own M/HLAD?

Thanks.
You are correct in your assumption Roseandpose...
16 Regt will be taking over the reins from 26 Sqn at the end of this month at Mount Pleasant Complex in the Falklands....The re-rolling of the Raf Regiment i believe will be in a Force Protection roll in the future...As for the argument is Air Defence needed, well quite frankly YES..It is the most expensive piece of hardware the British Army own...all bar the Joint Eurofighter..in terms of Pounds sterling.....Rapier FSC is worth in the region of £30 Million per Detachment....Slightly more than an AS90 i'll wager.... wink...
As for the effective range for the weapon system, targets can be dual-engaged ie, two missiles in the air taking on two seperate targets out to a range of 8kms and max ceiling height of 10,000ft.(SHORAD) Any higher targets are taken out by Patriot and Hawk Batteries.
It probably can do all that but when will it ever be called upon to do so, and it may be worth more money than an AS90, but an AS90 has proved itself in wartime
 
#20
sniffle-snaffle said:
dance_with_the_devil said:
roseandpose said:
Quick question - With regard to Rapier, have the RA now taken over the control of this equipment from the RAF Regt, or are you both equipped with them.

One more - Medium and High level AD- is this privided by the US in the form of Patriot, or do we own our own M/HLAD?

Thanks.
You are correct in your assumption Roseandpose...
16 Regt will be taking over the reins from 26 Sqn at the end of this month at Mount Pleasant Complex in the Falklands....The re-rolling of the Raf Regiment i believe will be in a Force Protection roll in the future...As for the argument is Air Defence needed, well quite frankly YES..It is the most expensive piece of hardware the British Army own...all bar the Joint Eurofighter..in terms of Pounds sterling.....Rapier FSC is worth in the region of £30 Million per Detachment....Slightly more than an AS90 i'll wager.... wink...
As for the effective range for the weapon system, targets can be dual-engaged ie, two missiles in the air taking on two seperate targets out to a range of 8kms and max ceiling height of 10,000ft.(SHORAD) Any higher targets are taken out by Patriot and Hawk Batteries.
It probably can do all that but when will it ever be called upon to do so, and it may be worth more money than an AS90, but an AS90 has proved itself in wartime
You are right in the fact that the AS90 have fired on Ops, purely on the basis that it is indeed a very capable weapon platform for the land battle etc.
Air Defence is vital in so far as a roll in defending key installations and vital assets such as Sea ports of Departure (SPOD) Forward Operating Bases(FOBs) Base Defence Zones (BDZs) around Airfields and Airheads. Fuel dumps, Power Stations, and any other high risk building or area that requires an Air Defence Bubble.
At the moment Rapier FSC is in an operation Zone in the Falklands, defending the skys around Mount Pleasant Airfield and the installation therein. However maybe not the Sexiest of Operating theatres of conflict and the Media attention is on the Sandpits, the roll it plays is vital none the less...
 

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