Anti Walt Petition

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  1. After spending a weekend at the Pompey Para Spectacular and the recent outing of walts on the Airborne site, they have decided that enough is enough. There were guys at Portsmouth over the weekend stating they were ex 2 and 3 Para and even SBS!!.

    Don't know if a petition on this has been started before but every little helps. This was started over on the AB site.
  2. Good idea that man, I expect it to be totally ignored like most other such petitions. That is unless they can find some way of affixing an £80 fixed penalty to every instance of waltiness.

    Now, there's an idea.

    (CC is a civvy who openly admits to being a civvy - just to clarify here)!
  3. See...? You've just twigged how to influence this PM, petition for a new law whilst suggesting that money can be made from it! ;-)
  4. signed.
  5. Surely there is some sort of prohibition on wearing a uniform etc you are not entitled to already? Section 57 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (below) makes it an offence to wear a merchant Navy uniform if you are not entitled to do so, mind I don't recall ever hearing of it being enforced.

    Is there no equivalent for the armed forces?


    57.—(1) Subject to subsection (3) below, if any person, not being entitled to wear the merchant navy uniform, wears that uniform or any part thereof, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the distinctive marks of that uniform, he shall be guilty of an offence.

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable, on summary conviction,—
    (a) except in a case falling within paragraph (b) below, to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale;
    (b) if he wears it in such a manner or under such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on the uniform, to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month.
    (3) Subsection (1) above shall not prevent any person from wearing any uniform or dress in the course or for the purposes of a stage play or representation, or a music-hall or circus performance if the uniform is not worn in such a manner or under such circumstances as to bring it into contempt.

    (4) If any person entitled to wear the merchant navy uniform when aboard a ship in port or on shore appears dressed partly in uniform and partly not in uniform under such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on the uniform, or, being entitled to wear the uniform appropriate to a particular rank or position, wears the uniform appropriate to some higher rank or position, he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.
  6. Signed, now we need some MPs to put it to the Commons.
  7. Signed and circulated to others via e-mail

  8. this will have no effect whatsoever, Walts are already flouting the Law, Decency and common sense, what makes you this will work any better than the current Law, they are very cunning people, some will have done research and a good printer for certifcates etc for plausablity.

    it will be difficult to enforce, the best remedy is find them out the traditional way, only a Squaddie will know the diffference between the real thing and a fake, through careful questioning then pass the details to the Media for Naming and Shaming, nothing detroys a walt more than public ridicule and derision, unfortunately Walts will not go away, there will new ones all the time, mostly they are harmless and just likes the attention and propping up a bar, it is only when they do it for financial gains and personal gains, that when it stops being funny.
  9. The fcukers at Pompey were, they were saying that they were raising money for charity, who knows, they may or may not have, they were put straight. The petition may not raise hackles in Parliament but we can't just sit back, anyhow, we're doing our bit by naming and shaming, just look at the fatty in the Daily Record last week. Are you naming and shaming?
  10. j-d, can't see much coming out of it with this liarbour gobment.

    Signed none-the-less
  11. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
    1. Battlefield Tours

    Tell us more Jack.
    Were they trying to parade with you or were they trying to jump on the back of it with a 'charity' fundraising? What charity did they say they were fundraising for if it wasn't the Airborne Forces Security Fund they would be taking a big chance anyway wouldn't they?
  12. Sorted, please god let someone read this who will do the right thing
  13. There are a lot of various organisations who go down there, SSAFA, RBL, ABF, there's even Navy charities etc. These guys were there on the Saturday and had been spotted previously by various blokes, they were confronted by a fair few ex Para Regt blokes and their story started to unravel, the lad who said he was SBS was about 18!! Apparently they soon upped sticks and legged it.
  14. Singed and l hope it comes off.
  15. I still don't get it. Given the way that UK society often seems to regard serving/ex forces, why do they do it? The only time they seem to get 'respect' is on a few days a year - and on those days they are more likely to be outed by the genuine article. The WM version of playing Russian Roulette with three rounds loaded?

    On rare occasions I use full DPM when molesting wildlife, and on Sundays may sometimes be seen in a scruff pair of combats (gardening/decorating for the uses of) but some of this lot...e-bay and t'internet have a lot to answer for!

    ANyway, it's all been said before, so petition signed anyway JD. Yours, Baffled of Basingstoke.